The Master of DLC Unlocking -The Jill Valentine Thread

[Hououin]

New here. Been following everyone’s posts and I’ve mostly been looking for ideas on placing Jill 2nd since I want to practice the TAC infinite. I especially like NSR’s recent team. I think I’m definitely gonna try Strider/Jill simply because it’s good to learn him on point since he gets snapped in when anchoring anyway. Not sure on Strange, though. I don’t think my will is ready for the execution needed on his flame loops.

Who is best fit to replace Strange? I feel like Sentinel drones is the obvious choice, but maybe I want Iron Man’s beam assist since it’ll travel full screen. … I know anchor IM is a crazy idea, but a few guys on the IM forums seem to think it’s not as terrible as it seems.

Or actually… maybe Hawkeye is correct alternate answer. Paulo is already doing Jill/Hawkeye and I could have sworn seeing him say somewhere that Hawkeye/Strider is pretty awesome.

He told me that hawkeye/strider is awesome, and i tried it and its pretty badass

[lamuness]

Who is best fit to replace Strange? I feel like Sentinel drones is the obvious choice, but maybe I want Iron Man’s beam assist since it’ll travel full screen. … I know anchor IM is a crazy idea, but a few guys on the IM forums seem to think it’s not as terrible as it seems.

Actually, It’s pretty terrible. You don’t get anything that typical anchors get, in terms of mixup potential, all of your combos are specific and are easy to drop. The only upside is that your damage is hella good and you get half screen really safe normals. You’re pretty much banking on the idea that your first 2characters are strong enough to take down most of the team before Ironman comes in and cleans up. Then what? You get foot dove and now it’s over. Or you get a sword mixup and you can’t do anything to get out of it outside of XFC, or Iron Avenger.

But Unibeam is SO GOOD w/ Jill :\

[HeaTBlazn]

[quote=“NonSexualRice, post:1703, topic:114629”]

Chrisis as well thinks Jill’s better than Wolverine, though I had to show him the light of what Jill can do haha.

The thing about Jill/Wolverine is that they both have huge striking similarities. Honestly, I would side with Jill on the better character with you, although this opinion is a bit unpopular.

Jill has MUCH more mixups then he’s able to do
Jill has about the same damage as he does for 1 Bar, perhaps less since he can link hypers
Somersault
Mad Beast is somewhat like Berserker Rage.

However, Wolverine has a much easier time applying his mixups in the neutral game and can be much faster at it. Wolverine’s Dive Kick is phenominal as a movement tool and as a a mixup tool. Wolverine has one of the best start-of-the-round-gambit’s because his buttons are so good and effective. Along with somewhat of an Air presence.

Berserker Slash–> Berserker Rage–> Berserker Slash/Mixup is very similar to how Arrow Kick Feints work and work.

As the game develops, people will start to notice how strong both characters will be to rush-down.

I would disagree and say Wolvie is better because of a few points.

His air to air and air to ground game is better.
His normals seem better
He can pretty much kill you after a throw with the correct assists or X factor
He works better with most of the cast especially with his Berserker rage super
His Hypers are overall better with more versatility which allows for DHC combinations without sacrificing any damage
I know execution shouldn’t be too much of a factor, but in this game it really makes a difference
Also dreaded Divekick like you mentioned

[Hououin]

[quote=“HeaTBlazn, post:1723, topic:114629”]

Chrisis as well thinks Jill’s better than Wolverine, though I had to show him the light of what Jill can do haha.

The thing about Jill/Wolverine is that they both have huge striking similarities. Honestly, I would side with Jill on the better character with you, although this opinion is a bit unpopular.

Jill has MUCH more mixups then he’s able to do
Jill has about the same damage as he does for 1 Bar, perhaps less since he can link hypers
Somersault
Mad Beast is somewhat like Berserker Rage.

However, Wolverine has a much easier time applying his mixups in the neutral game and can be much faster at it. Wolverine’s Dive Kick is phenominal as a movement tool and as a a mixup tool. Wolverine has one of the best start-of-the-round-gambit’s because his buttons are so good and effective. Along with somewhat of an Air presence.

Berserker Slash–> Berserker Rage–> Berserker Slash/Mixup is very similar to how Arrow Kick Feints work and work.

As the game develops, people will start to notice how strong both characters will be to rush-down.

I would disagree and say Wolvie is better because of a few points.

His air to air and air to ground game is better.
His normals seem better
He can pretty much kill you after a throw with the correct assists or X factor
He works better with most of the cast especially with his Berserker rage super
His Hypers are overall better with more versatility which allows for DHC combinations without sacrificing any damage
I know execution shouldn’t be too much of a factor, but in this game it really makes a difference
Also dreaded Divekick like you mentioned

Divekick is only really great online, offline its eh.
Neither characters are execution-heavy
Jill’s hypers are better.
They work the same with the cast as they are both point characters that need a team built around them.
Rest of your points are valid, but there isnt much of a difference between the jill/wolverine air game and normals. Especially with strider assist

[lamuness]

LOL, is SRK fking up again?

[thrilla]

Divekick is only really great online, offline its eh.

wolvie’s OS divekick is just as ridiculous offline as it is online.

[Mailorder]

Tried Cold Star with Dog?

I haven’t, but I’ve been thinking about it along with Dante & Weasel Shot. I feel like Dante is a better pick since it already seems established that Dante/Strider is legit, although I do recall reading here that Dante isn’t that amazing with Jill. I’ll have to go a few pages back and read again.

He told me that hawkeye/strider is awesome, and i tried it and its pretty badass

Now the challenge is learning Hawkeye, haha! I haven’t managed to grasp his neutral game yet; I get blown up pretty quick when I try him.

Actually, It’s pretty terrible. You don’t get anything that typical anchors get, in terms of mixup potential, all of your combos are specific and are easy to drop. The only upside is that your damage is hella good and you get half screen really safe normals. You’re pretty much banking on the idea that your first 2characters are strong enough to take down most of the team before Ironman comes in and cleans up. Then what? You get foot dove and now it’s over. Or you get a sword mixup and you can’t do anything to get out of it outside of XFC, or Iron Avenger.

But Unibeam is SO GOOD w/ Jill :\

Maybe it’s worth playing a gimped anchor with the intention of giving L1/2 X-Factor to Strider or Jill? People played Capt. Commando in Marvel 2 for the assist alone, so maybe this strategy is worth looking at again : p I think Pulsr played Jill/Wolverine/Iron Man in vanilla MvC3… I’m sure it’s a dated team, but maybe there’s something good that can be salvaged from it?

[Hououin]

What happened to pulsr?

[lamuness]

He’s moving to Japan. Dat IRL.

Lately he’s been using Jill / IM / Vergil Soooooooooooooooo. No more IM anchor

[Hououin]

My fucking balls, Jill/Magneto/Sentinel has so much synergy! I wait for the drones to come out and protect them until they are out, and then go ham on the opponent. With disruptor the resets are fucking insane, and it clears out projectiles. (Jill dante strider is still my main team I like messing around with different ones)

[lamuness]

There’s a video set by Ika posted a while back about Jill / Mag / Sent. It’s a good video and it has really good resets. Give it a look if you’re planning for this team. I personally think that disruptor is too fast for her. Ironman / Sent is a good shell, and so is Jill / IM. Naturally I would think Jill / IM / Sent is a good team, but you’re stacking on the hella low tiers and bad robots, lol.

[NonSexualRice]

I did a writeup on Jill/Sent awhile ago.

Sentinel is MUCH too slow to use in the neutral. Jill has no ways of physically protecting him meterless either. He’s Pretty good as a combo extender, but so are other assists which are useable in the neutral.

Jill/Magneto isn’t really that great. The synergy is totally one sided and Jill can’t profit that well from the beam. It’s great for screen-clearing and resets though.

[Gangie]

One thing that always sucks is when I jump-cancel the Somersault on block because I totally thought it would connect, and even if I decide to FC and try something else, it usually gets punished by an appropriately aggressive response. The best way to get around this would probably be to call a lockdown on reaction, but I was wondering if anyone had any solo responses to (push)blocked SS.

[Hououin]

One thing that always sucks is when I jump-cancel the Somersault on block because I totally thought it would connect, and even if I decide to FC and try something else, it usually gets punished by an appropriately aggressive response. The best way to get around this would probably be to call a lockdown on reaction, but I was wondering if anyone had any solo responses to (push)blocked SS.

I just call magneto to keep them in blockstun because it’s so fast. Also easy to confirm off of. (j.mhs j.mmhs)

[Hououin]

Jill has been making me more and more salty every time I play her. I’ve been considering taking a break from jill, and just sticking c.viper where my jill is in my team (jill/dante/strider), and just make it viper/dante/strider for a little bit to take a break from the salt. I don’t have it in me to drop jill as I’ve put so much work into getting my jill to where she is now. What do you guys think?

[Gangie]

Jill has been making me more and more salty every time I play her. I’ve been considering taking a break from jill, and just sticking c.viper where my jill is in my team (jill/dante/strider), and just make it viper/dante/strider for a little bit to take a break from the salt. I don’t have it in me to drop jill as I’ve put so much work into getting my jill to where she is now. What do you guys think?

I think if you’re getting as frustrated as you are, then just forget it and play Magneto. I would have dropped Jill in favor of someone better a long time ago, but she’s just too much fun.

[Hououin]

Jill has been making me more and more salty every time I play her. I’ve been considering taking a break from jill, and just sticking c.viper where my jill is in my team (jill/dante/strider), and just make it viper/dante/strider for a little bit to take a break from the salt. I don’t have it in me to drop jill as I’ve put so much work into getting my jill to where she is now. What do you guys think?

I think if you’re getting as frustrated as you are, then just forget it and play Magneto. I would have dropped Jill in favor of someone better a long time ago, but she’s just too much fun.

I’m definitely not going to just drop her outright like that, she is a ton of fun to play when I have the will to keep learning her, she’s just been frustrating, so I feel like I should take a break. Maybe your right though, this’ll take a bit of thinking as I’ve spent a loooot of time learning her and getting to the point where I am at. Thanks for your thoughts on it.

EDIT: Fuck this shit im keeping her.
Jill/Dante/Strider is just too dirty and fun.

[Ika_Zuchi_No_Kami]

I did a writeup on Jill/Sent awhile ago.

Sentinel is MUCH too slow to use in the neutral. Jill has no ways of physically protecting him meterless either. He’s Pretty good as a combo extender, but so are other assists which are useable in the neutral.

Jill/Magneto isn’t really that great. The synergy is totally one sided and Jill can’t profit that well from the beam. It’s great for screen-clearing and resets though.

this^ is correct(as an opinion from someone who doesn’t use the team) however I don’t have any of those problems.

[NonSexualRice]

I did a writeup on Jill/Sent awhile ago.

Sentinel is MUCH too slow to use in the neutral. Jill has no ways of physically protecting him meterless either. He’s Pretty good as a combo extender, but so are other assists which are useable in the neutral.

Jill/Magneto isn’t really that great. The synergy is totally one sided and Jill can’t profit that well from the beam. It’s great for screen-clearing and resets though.

this^ is correct(as an opinion from someone who doesn’t use the team) however I don’t have any of those problems.

I’ve used the team before. Every Jill team I post about, I don’t post about it until I’ve used it extensively.

Magneto gets absolutely nothing from Jill. At all. At best, he gets a decent combo extender but the team lacks anything to help Magneto’s neutral besides Sent’s drones.

Jill cannot use Drones from Full-Screen. At all. It gets beat out by any opponent’s beam advances. She lacks a sufficient way of protecting him from full screen. She gets a neat combo extender from him that raises her damage to about 960k~ and a good assist from close range; but it’s sub-optimal.

Jill/Magneto is decent at best. The EM disrupter is extremely fast which makes her movement from full-to close range difficult.

[lamuness]

The problems I have right now are people who press buttons. Especially Hulk / anyone who has a fast c.L or something. I’m working on making my mixups tighter so they don’t have time to throw out buttons, but Hulk or Lariat assist, man. -_-; Also, getting zoned out by Doom or Zero feels really wrong.