This part confuses me and makes me think at some point we misread one another.
When you said:
I assumed you meant within being caught in a situation such as a block string, where you are blocking and the other person is applying pressure.
What you said in that post suggests, to me, just hitting the buttons, or churning the motions while in a block string to catch them if they mess up, which is a poor tactic.
What your second posts suggests to me is that it is based more on reaction, which is NOT mashing.
The first post I was suggesting that the difference between a timed ‘ume-shoryu’ and a churned out 360 is not really a good reason to dismiss it as ‘mashing’ since holding block has essentially that same advantage over reactionary blocking or parrying.
The second post I was talking about the dp and the block themselves, ignoring the execution method.
edit: and block is not necessarily always a good option, since it is vulnerable to mixups.
I agree with all of this, because none of it is mashing. It is either a read or something based of reaction. As Mr.X stated, mashing is done out of fear.
I have also never stated that always blocking is a good idea, because that would be silly
when i finally play this game next to a real life person im gonna mash the shit out of my anti air DP+grab as bella, making sure im making it totally obvious, and see if i can bait the jump for the lolz. using mindgames OUTSIDE the game dude!
This is not a high level tactic, it works on against people who are not very good. A good player will recognize you are doing this and punish you for it.
Not sure if I would call that mashing…
Once again, any player worth their salt will identify you are doing this early on and punish you for it.
same as 1 and 2.
Most of the tactics you listed don’t really work at high level. Now if they are reads and not just mashing it every time, that is completely different.
One thing this thread is really good for is telling me who likes to mash so I know what to expect when I play them.
It’s not like anyone goes around mashing 360 the entire time, but acting like some kind of saint/“high level player” isn’t gonna win you shit.
You’ve seen Big Two, right, how many times did Sanford win when he just mashed DP?
How many times did Diago mash DP and get it? You really think each time he DP’ed, he KNEW, I’ve seen times where he DP’ed out of nowhere, with no meter.
It only takes 1 or 2 mashed things to work to turn around a game, if we’re playing a match in a tourny, all I need is that, then I could mount my offense, resulting in your loss.
I don’t know if I’m reading this right, but I feel you have this notion that random doesn’t win, not all of the time, if you’re shitty, it doesn’t matter how many random things you do, but if you’re good, and combine that with unpredictable shit, you’re gonna win a lot more than you think.
I think it’s weird that when high level players mash shit out, it’s called “ume”, but when anyone else does it, it’s just called “scrubby”.
That person can complain all they want, but at the end of the day:
(Well, okay, I was gonna post that “I won, you lost, get over it” fighting game shirt I found awhile back, but now I can’t, shame)
The thing is, you need to mash something out once in a while to get them scared to pressure you and give you longer gaps while they’re waiting for the reversal, in which you take momentum and pressure them.
I think the difference is in how we each define the term mashing.
In your guys examples, there is a clear and present bit of reasoning and thought process. Its an educated guess, which is part of a read.
When Sanford or Daigo get those magical DPs, its based off of that.
Think of it like poker. If some dude goes all in, chances are he has weighed the options and risk reward factors involved in his decision. It may not always work out, because you can not always be certain, but there is a clear reason to why he did it. If we were to assign a fighting game term to this, it would certainly be along the lines of yomi, or ‘reading’.
Then there is the poker player who goes all in because he wants all the money. He sees only the best outcome, and none of the other options. He makes these risks constantly because he is not directly thinking about all of the options. If we were to assign an FG term to this, it would be mashing.
Lets take crouch teching in SF4 as an example. you have the players who go for crouch tech when they see or think think its a good/decent option, and then there are the players who ALWAYS just hit crouch tech (and get counter hit/framed trapped for it).
Yes doing something unexpected is absolutely a good thing once in a while. But it always has to have reasoning behind it, or else you are revealing a large weakness.
Yeah I want to sit typing out essays about mashing in my spare time to counter argue someone that spells you’re your. I kade this thread to read what you guys think about mashing not to defend my knowledge of how important it is to skullgirls. And you would get…what do they say in this community? O right bodied free
you do not look smart or cool for suggesting someones ideas or opinions are stupid if you are not willing/able to back up your argument.
you just look like a desperate idiot who lets things get to him too easily.
I have no problem discussing, and my answers are generally short and concise.
So then you are accepting ;)?
I never expect to win someone I have never played, and not even accepting the money match for any kind of personnel reason, I don’t really feel offended. I just fucking love money matching and the hype it fills me and the community.
I know one of you guys has at least a camera phone and a friend who can hold it for a FT10.
Also, Ataconazi, since we’re talking grammar here, whenever you quote someone’s specific spelling to make a point, you’re supposed to put quotations around said word, showing that you are noting this.
So, the correct way to type your sentence would be “Yeah, I want to sit typing out essays about mashing in my spare time to counter argue(Also, since counterargument is one word, the correct verbalization would probably be counterargue. Leaving it separate because learning grammar is legitimately fun!) someone that spells “you’re” “your”.”
Looks at his rough draft of Litany of hate: Metagame
Reads through the thread
I blame Tataki for this thread because his dumbfuckery has obviously spread to some of you. Stop using the word metagame incorrectly. There is not much of a skullgirls metagame yet.
Skullgirls metagame right now is Valentine on x/ Parasoul Napalm Pillar & Peacock with fierce item drop/ Double with Hornet Bomber. That ain’t shit.
Feel bad because I could deliver something to make you smarter and refuse to; feel the bad in your veins.
