Tenshin is a command throw that is cancelable off certain normals to be more or less unavoidable unless you psychic jump, which loses to a lot of things Fei does throughout the match.
If you’re just doing empty tenshins all day long, you’re doing it wrong.
ad1 you clearly have no clue about the tenshin and he can already combo into his ultra
“ad1 you clearly have no clue about the tenshin and he can already combo into his ultra”
Yup, this is the idiot I was talking about. Please go learn Fei Long before posting. Or, get on your good friend’s account and try using Tenshin in G1. Not all G1 players are good, but the ones that are real will punish you furiously when you try it. Tenshin is a joke right now, I doubt you use it much truthfully. And quite frankly, all this talk of it’s use, do you really see it much online, or in videos of good matches, or anywhere? No, people want it to be good, but it is risky and thus not used regularly. At least, not in the higher level fights. Now g2, I am sure people fall for it, they did when I was there.
As for the Ultra issue, yeah, Fei is right up there with Ryu for utilizing his Ultra. MaaZa, …what are you talking about?
Last thing. Here is Mr. Wong utilizing Fei Long, one of the few top level players known who does. Count up his Tenshins in this video.
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Hmm, why would he not utilize this great resource of Fei Long’s? I wonder.
What is this? You are referencing more forum stuff? Let’s get to real world practicality, not jumping from thread to thread. It simply is not safe to utilize in high level matches. Hey, don’t take my word for it. Watch ANY of the Wong videos. You might see a Tenshin once, in a blue moon. It isn’t seen much in top player matches, you can’t argue that. I wouldn’t attempt it in a high level match against the likes of Ryu, Sagat, Zangief, and so on. The one thing I hate are what I call “mechanics”. You spit the lingo, talk the frame data, but is your on the ground game actually good? You study it, but are you actually a good player? I see this a lot on this forum. On the flip, I have known murderous SF players that could care less about studying the data, and in fact laugh at people who study it but can’t actually play well. Different types of scrubs I guess. Back to my point, Tenshin is not a strong asset at present.
Its all about Risk/Reward. if your not comfortable using it then dont. Wong lands it as much as he does cause he knows not many people fight Fei.
Tenshin is as good as any other command throw like it. like the twin’s in 3s. and Fei and tick pretty well into it.
Yeah, let’s judge all of what Fei Long can do based on what JWong picked up playing him as an 8th character for a few weeks. The ONLY reason JWong picked him in the SB4 tournament was to get an unfamiliarity advantage against Daigo, and because Justin has great footsies and Fei can win by spacing and pokes (and was, for a while, so he didn’t want to change it up). That’s it guys, case closed; JWong played Fei to the peak of his potential after three weeks.
The tenshin setup is nasty. Read the thread and find out all it beats. It beats mash SRK, for one (this alone is HUGE). It beats throw, and all command throws besides Gief. It only loses to holding up-back, which is a bad idea during poke strings for (what I hope are) obvious reasons. If you think a move with this much potential usage is terrible, then you’re not doing it right. It’s unlike any other command grab in the game, because it can be canceled off a blocked attack AND still catch someone.
Try using it in cases that aren’t walkup-tenshin and see. You’ll find it useful. Jump in, to cr.short block string… or jump in, cr.short xx EX tenshin.
That thread IS real world practicality. Just because you’re not using it, it doesn’t mean others aren’t.
Tenshin is godly. Great for netting a win because by the time an opponent has low health, they’re less prone to mashing out something out of fear of losing health.
It’s like you guys want it to be 5 frames long with EX armor properties and cancel into ultra. @_@ You have to be wise, Tenshin is awesomesauce.
Fei Long just needs moar ATATATATATATATA, the only buff he needs, imho. I think he plays fine. I whoop ass with him. My friends know I play Fei and how I play him and I still win enough to go 50/50 or go for the win. Tiers are useless. I am god.
clearly you do not know the definition of high level. you can not define the practicality of a move based on its performance in G-1. and we got news for you. justin wong is not the best fei long player in the world. he just fucks around with fei. we should stack up his number of tenshins used versus the amount of times he drops fei’s bnb’s. i guess completing combos, and capitalizing on damage opportunities is useless as well by your logic. and if you are going to pick a video example, how about one where his opponent can block.
G-1, or whatever online rank you think is top notch means fuck all. online players have no idea how to measure risk reward, so mashing buttons may seem like a great fucking idea to them. there is a general lack of fundamental gameplay all over online.
and its my fault for not updating my thread with video examples, but you could learn a thing or two by reading it over before posting foolishness
btw, your savior @ 3:17
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this is one of the setups i listed in my thread a long time ago
Because he only just started playing him, and wasn’t yet comfortable with the character? Because it wasn’t appropriate to the matchup? He certainly uses it [media=youtube]56TOgYjbAls[/media]. I mean, I don’t know, I don’t play the character, but just because this one good player didn’t use it in these couple of match videos doesn’t make it a bad move.
lol, justin using like 6 tenshins v arturo. his fei is getting much better
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ad1 should never post again
DUN DUN DUN! I love the drama! Hey I’ve been able to use Tenshin pretty effectively…it really depends on what type of player your opponent is really. You can’t just abuse it but MAN is it rewarding when you can land it successfully 2 to 3 times in a match and turn the tables!!! =D
no move that offers FREE DAMAGE can ever be called worthless…
can he combo into his ultra? i mean the full ultra without the focus attack crumple beforehand. if they made his ultra like abels where if the first hit lands ultra then he would be alot better
There are no practical combos into ultra for Fei at all. The best we could come up with on the Fei board (other than the usual focus crumple or j. hk) is a traded FK or an FADC FK > partial ultra (3 hit instead of full damage).
As far as the Fei board is concerned, ultra does not exist as anything but a psychic reversal.
Because Fei can get a lot of crumples off his excellent focus attack, I don’t think his ultra is totally useless (because it’s a great option to use in that spot). For use in non-crumple situations, though, it’s no good (and you can bet it’ll change in SSF4).
Ultra just needs to combo off of flame kick FADC and ANY of the hits should trigger the animation. It’s not good to use it straight up because even if you do go through a poke with it, the second hit will whiff a lot of the time.
I dunno. You guys reference JWong too much. He’s a good PLAYER. He could pick anyone and make them look decent. But if he could win with Dan just using cr.MK would you say DAMN DAN IS TOO GOOD? No it just means he won with the skill she has using the tools available to him.
People already forgot how Wong used Sakura… And nowadays I see more people saying “Damn, SabrE’s really effin good” than “Damn, Sakura’s actually pretty effin good.”
apparently feilong stole guiles FA lol. /end troll