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lol, the events from Season 5 and when Jack and co. are back to the proper timeline are in 2007.
The events you see in the alt. timeline is 2004. This season WILL wrap up everything and clear majority of questions though.
I do feel it’ll have a happy end however.

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Jack’s father has appeared numerous times on the Island, but this Jack never made it to the island so he won’t see him.

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The producers have even said that the fact that Christian has appeared wearing white tennis shoes has an important meaning. His character is supposedly really, REALLY important to the story. There is someone else who is hyper important, too, I think Claire, but I might remember wrong. I’m pretty sure it was a woman. I need to go back and watch that interview again.

Christian has appeared to Jack off the island before. :tup:

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I am under the impression that “Antijacob” planned this for the longest time but he needed someone that had been brought back to life with the fountain to kill Jacob, because I think that that fountain somehow makes them part of him after it heals them. It is obviously also my conclusion that Jacob being “alive” powered it somehow in addition to tethering Richard(os) to life and somehow keeping Antijacob (aka. the smoke monster, aka. dark locke, aka. Seth (pronounce SET)) from leaving the island. When antijacob learned of the “loophole” of getting someone that was healed with Jacobs (Horace’s) fountain, he started the long path of shape-shifting to manipulate the oceanic survivors, and indeed, some of the others, so that his plan would work. But, assuming all he wants is to “leave the island”, where would he go? Maybe he was too much of a threat and that’s why Jacob bound him there in the first place? Also, it would seem to me that the Smoke Monster has indeed left the island before as visions or apparitions to other characters (when Jack saw his father at his new practice and there was smoke leaving the area afterward). We know that the smoke monster manipulated Ben by doppleganging his daughter and feeding him a line of bullshit, but what we don’t know are how many of those visions had by other characters have been of a “different” variety, and on that note, not a separate smoke monster entirely. The fact that Ben was able to “summon” the monster, or at very least was under the impression that he could might indicate that there might be different smoke monsters.

It seems that there’s now a matrix style “you have a choice” sub theme. Jacob kept reminding people that “they have a choice” like the Oracle, when he OBVIOUSLY knows the Future or can willingly time travel himself. Meaning, he KNEW Ben would eventually kill him. Otherwise, he wouldn’t have been able to see/meet the Oceanic 6 in different times to get them back/there in the first place. This allowed him to set agendas in motion. Things like the guitar case. Knowing right where Hurly was and , the coolest thing, wanting (needing) Sayid healed. The interesting thing is that Sayid is the reason Ben needed healing at all and now Sayid himself has been healed in the same way. Jacob prepared for all of these things. But to what ends? Maybe Sayid is the new leader/Jacob/Richard?

A few things:

-Why were Rose and Locke healed when they first got to the island when others that needed healing seemingly had to use this fountain?
-Was Christian actually Christian when he met Claire, or was that ALSO the smoke monster? Be that the case, the smoke monster must have intimate knowledge on each characters dead relatives to mess with them. How would it have this?
-Where the fuck is Claire?
-Who would have disrupted the Ash by Jacobs Cabin?
-Are the others at The Temple different than Ben’s others?
-Walt had an interesting connection to the island. Why didn’t Jacob want him back?

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There is a review show on AOL with a really annoying host that went over this weeks episodes, there are some really interesting ideas shared.

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Saw my first episode of Lost the day before yesterday. Yeah, late, I know. Can’t say I was that impressed. Friend of mine was mentioning how its all symbolism and imagery and while that’s all well and good, it just seems so one-dimensional. How many shows/movies/video games need to use religious imagery to tell their stories? Seems a little cheap to me. Along the same lines of Halo aka “We couldn’t even bo bothered to think of names so we just grabbed the Bible.”

Should be noted that these things are glaringly obvious to be as its in my line of study so I guess it goes over better with people who aren’t so familiar with this stuff.

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Maybe true but you are about 5 years late now

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I think it might have been misrepresented by this friend of yours. The religious imagery is at a bare minimum and this show is, at it’s core, a science fiction masterpiece. Comparing Lost to the likes of Halo OR the bible makes me not only question how truly “glaringly obvious” these things are to you but I think it also makes me hate you for trolling here without ever even watching the show from a subjective standpoint. No one can enjoy this show after 1 episode. I just don’t think it’s that kind of show. It’s one of the more intellectual shows I’ve ever seen if not THE most.

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Thats all I read

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GOOD QUESTION!!

I think there are two types of smoke monsters. sometimes you can hear the monster sounding like a gasoline generator, and there are also times where you KNOW you’re looking at smokey, but there’s no sound. I need to go read what the voices people hear whispering before the monster appears are saying as well, but reading that stuff in a dark data center late at night all by myself is kinda creepy… Gotta read it at home… in the day.

There is much more imagery from non-christian religions and a general theme of good vs. evil than there is biblical in the show. Just watching one episode is not going to reveal that.

:rofl:

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not sure which is clownier, seeing one ep of a continuous storyline and calling it one dimensional or your absurdly clowny attempt at qualifying yourself as an authority on the subject

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:confused:
Why is that a coincidence to you? That’s like a span of two months. Besides, that’s what actors do. They go on to different roles. Kate plays the main character’s wife on The Hurt Locker, but ok…?

btw, why are you guys replying to that troll? lol

@**Manx: **I easily believe there are two types of smoke monsters, also. I highly doubt Anti-Jacob would be “summoned” by Ben. He’s obviously very powerful, so I just think that’s very unlikely. True enough he has some sort of kryptonite with this gun powder, but I don’t think there’s some kind of dog whistle that gets him to do your bidding.
Also, sometimes you can hear electricity from one of the monsters when it likes to get upclose. Other times it just comes straight through and makes those mechanical sounds.

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I don’t mean to be contrary, but a science fiction masterpiece? Really? When someone says “science fiction masterpiece,” I think of something that has hugely impacted and made a lasting effect upon the sci fi genre. Like, for example, Issac Asimov’s Foundation series. Or Star Wars.

I don’t know. When you said “masterpiece,” I kept on thinking of all those really terrible Lost moments. Like Paulo, aka “Take a Shit Guy.” Or maybe when Shannon was portrayed as a bitch, only to have her last show confusingly portray her as sympathetic, just to make her death have more impact. Or an entire episode about Jack’s tattoo.

I mean, I love Lost. It’s probably in my top 5 shows of all time, along with DS9 and Dexter along with a few others. But a sci fi masterpiece? That’s kind of pushing it.

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Okay, I agree that it’s pointless to attempt to pretend that Lost hasn’t had it’s dumb moments. But, I think we’d be hard-pressed to find a show recently that has consistently delivered on the level of episodes like The Constant, Flashes Before Your Eyes, or Live Together Die Alone. Also, the writers were just making up things as they went along, which is very much in the vein of a kind of story-telling that I really admire: Pen & Paper role-playing games. Basically, anything is game and whatever happens happens. It’s a sort of story where the players can just come along and completely ruin plans you were making for weeks. I like that kind of story-telling where you’re not pressed into forcing something to happen. I appreciate the fact that the writers have had to come back and apologize for doing things they speficially said they wouldn’t do. It’s a story, that’s it. Every piece in the puzzle dosen’t have to fit perfectly, but when you step back and view the entire thing as a whole, it works, and it works on a great level. I agree it’s a masterpiece. Sets very high standards for a television show. :tup:

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This is the lowest form of story-telling across all mediums of literature. It’s made up shit on the spot that requires no forethought or literary technique.
I do agree however that it’s impressive the writers have managed to shore up a bunch of nonsense without any major plot holes. Season 2 was a mess with the button pushing, absolutley no direction. Towards the middle of season 3 though they buckled down and wrote the series out, which is respectable. Overall, it’s turned out to be a show way above par.

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Agreed, I loved all those episodes you mentioned, Manx. But let’s call a spade a spade–if you “make stuff up as you go along,” that’s just plain sloppy writing, especially when everything collapses under its own weight. Kind of like how the ending of BSG answered almost nothing and lacked a serious sense of closure.

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Well spotted! I am staying with my AI comparison, I think the gasoline tank smoke monster was it damaged/breaking down, this electrical sounding version is how it should function when working perfectly, this maybe something to do with the original anomaly that brought the plane down, it required a body as a host whilst it recovered.

I’ve just had a realization!

Locke’s father the kidney thief, the man who Sawyer named himself after …could be the smoke monster!
If you remember way way back, there was a room that Ben told Sawyer whatever you truely wished for will appear, when Ben opens the door it’s the man that caused his mother to commit suicide (Locke’s father).

This idea of “what you truely desire” makes me think back to all the ghosts that have appeared throughout the seasons. If you remember Ecko wanted the forgiveness of his brother, his brother appeared Ecko did his bidding and then the smoke monster killed Ecko, Jack wanted his father. Ben may have truely regretted killing Locke and wanted him back, * maybe that is also a reason why the monster chose to take Locke’s form (in order to further manipulate him into killing Jacob).

Side note: To Ben, Locke appeared to have all the answers, the Island rewarded him with knowledge and belief, Ben however was truely lost, this maybe why the smoke monster tells Ben what Locke was thinking before he died.

Jacob and the smoke monster have been manipulating everyone from day 1, the ghosts that have appeared off the island are probablythe smoke monster aswell - perhaps there was a time when it was allowed to leave the island, this would be a good reason why it would want leave the Island.

I am in agreement, I think Jacob knew he would be killed, this is looking more like a game of chess against the two and everyone on the island are the chess pieces. Jacob the king always protected kept out of sight, smoke monster the knight can’t think of a good metaphor so I will say two faced, since if you always land on the opposite colour you are standing on. =/

Final thought - Do you think Walt was really on the Island, I remember the others despirately trying to capture him, then later fearing him and returning him to Michael. Walt also hung around Locke very often, could he have been the smoke monster all along?

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I do believe Walt was real. I also believe that the island/Jacob made Michael seemingly as immortal as he did Richard. We still don’t know what happened to Michael, you know. We know that he couldn’t die or, rather, the fates seem to twist around him. Perhaps he did die on that freighter. But Walt is definitely real.

Comparing Lost to Battlestar Galactica is so far from fair it’s ridiculous. J.J. Abrams actually KNEW where he was taking the show from day 1. It would have been really difficult to set up what he has if he didn’t. Ronald Moore and Mike Rymer weren’t using any kind of foreshadowing. It was all “let’s write this one season at a time and pray the loyalists will still watch”. And guess what? That’s what happened, if only just barely. Lost, on the other hand, gets more and more viewers even though it’s nearing the end. Nearly every question I’ve had has been answered. For the longest time, it was all smoke monster, but even that is being revealed. You’ll find very few displeased Lost fans, but you’ll find MANY displeased, if not down right pissed, BSG fans.

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I find it kind of funny that neither Walt or Michael were mentioned in the recap episode even though they had some pretty pivotal roles in the series.

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Lost dont care about black people??