Holy fuck, first 5 mins and last 10 owned me hard.
Yeah, huge wtf moment. This season has been the best so far.
First up, black men get no love on this show at all.
Next, I give them credit, while I still think Locke is a bitch but this was his best episode since the first season. Anyone else think there is definitely more to Caesar then appears?
Caesar is more than likely a mol. This episode was meant to change paradigms… well, at least confuse them.
it’s interesting though, that all the people who came to the island “after the fact” are stuck in the temporal shift, even after just returning but Locke is now immune. Maybe dying takes you out of the cycle? Or perhaps its a mechanism triggered after you leave the way Ben and Locke did. I can’t really even speculate. All I know is that the island is run by ghosts. And apparently the drunker they were in real life the more powerful. I want to see a flashback episode for Ghost Christian Sheohard.
This shit is confusing me. Didnt Christian say that Ben moved the island knowing full well that he knew Locke was suppose to? If so, then that means Ben wanted to leave the island but why? Probably to take revenge on Whitemore’s people for killing his daughter? Who knows but wasnt there a rule that said whoever moved the island cannot come back?
Edit: So all the Oceanic crew dissapeared in that flash but Ben didnt. I wonder if that means anything. And I think Caesar (and that chick probably) works for whitmore. explains Walt’s whole, “you were in a suit surrounded by people who wanted to hurt u” thing.
Shit I didn’t know ep 7 was out yesterday… I was wondering wtf you guys were talking about.
It’s up on ABC now btw.
So… who is actually bad? Ben or Widmore? How many times has Ben failed to kill Locke now?
Ben obviously helped Locke get to the island by killing him. Maybe if Locke killed himself, it wouldn’t work?
It also looks like Ben doesn’t have the island “powers” anymore because he crashed with the rest of the crew.
But I dont think Locke told ben what Richard said. To me it looked like ben just wanted to get as much info as he could. Also after he killed him he said “I’ll miss u” and not something hinting at Locke being ok.
It’s ben though so who knows!
"the war"
Locke vs ben? Or is that too obivous?
yeah, ben wouldnt have killed john not until he found out who was going to know how to get back. hawking. as soon as he said her name ben killed him. and from his comments he didnt expect to ever see john again. ben is definetly evil. widmore? not good, but, maybe not as bad as ben. the guy that plays ben is amazing though, because once he starts talking you believe him. lol.
One thing I’ve been wondering about is…does Ben want to take revenge on the island? Could it be that he infact is NOT the rightful person to be on it?
im still wondering what set up the rules between ben and widmore…why cant they kill each other? Was relieved they finaly explained about that black dude from the wire/fringe…nigga was creepy poppin up all the time.
I don’t think Locke could kill himself. Reason: Michael couldn’t do it when he got off the island. (Running into a concrete wall with a car…bullets in the gun).
yeah, but the island wasnt done with michael, it wasn’t useful for him to die. In johns case the island specifically told him he would have to die. It was his purpose
The reason no one can do anything is because there are so many paradoxes involved. Widmore must know that he meets Locke again when he’s young but after John met him when he was older. That’s what made him believe John dying was silly. Ben may be privy to the same information or he may not be. One allows him to know that nothing he can do to John will actually kill him, but force John to make decisions he HAS to make (due to the fact that he has already made them). Ben may actually still be helping… in his own strange way. This show’s tagline is now “you can’t change the past”, and everything on the show is technically in someones past. That’s the “problem” with same-time-line time travel. Nothin can ever be changed because everything is happening as it always has.
Hmm, how to explain this easier? Richard. Richard meets John AFTER he gets back to the island and time shifts. John tells Richard what’s happened so that Richard can then, in Richard’s future (don’t even get me started on that) tell John what he did and needs to hear. In the next few episodes we’re going to see most of the cast stuck back in time. This means that they were ALWAYS there. They had always been there even before they went (were brought back) to the island originally. They’ll start revealing little clues that were present throughout the series to wrap things up. But first there has to be a war. A war that will, no doubt, be lead by the survivors of flight 815.
Why do I have a feeling that Ben HAD to do what he did 2 decades ago so that the future MUST happen?
Because I just explained it? Ben met Richard by mistake. Richard fed him info. That info lead hm to do what he did. Ben was only ever the leader because he had to be because he always was. John’s the REAL leader. He always has been. Guh… paradoxes.
The island won’t let them die so it would be pointless? Kinda like the locke and ben situation.
Maybe ben did kill locke believing it wouldn’t really matter. I remember after ben shot locke and left him for dead. Later he said something like “I should have known it was to late to kill you” Meaning he knew the island wouldn’t really let locke die.
I thought, at one point he was the right person but then the “island” preferred locke? He’s just jealous.
I thought one of the points the show tries to get across is that there are no “mistakes”. Everything is just part of a story that always end’s the same way.
Wow fucken GG