The King of Fighters 2002: Unlimited Match Thread

[Dullyanna]

I didn’t know where to ask this, so I thought I’d ask here.

I own the JPN release of Vanilla KOF 2002. Wanted to pick up UM.

Are there huge differences/changes between 2002 UM and 2002 UM Tougeki? Is there a list of changes?

Didn’t know which one to get.

It was posted a few pages back:

1. Match timer extended.
2. Stamina increased.
3. Guard crush gauge added.
4. All characters’ guard crush recovery speeds have been normalized (as in the
   refill rate of the gauge, not the time vulnerable after a guard crush)
5. All characters’ rolling abilities have been normalized.
6. All characters’ jump startups have been normalized.
7. (?) Direction input for diagonal command moves recognized on frame 1 now (?)
8. Random damage is eliminated.
9. Unthrowable time is reduced.
10. Against a normal throw, pressing a non-strong attack button makes escape impossible.
11. Normal throw damage reduced.
12. (?) Repeated standing/crouching commands changed to maintain state. (?)
    (Probably means “maintain a normal state” or “get locked into high or low guard
    if you attempt to alternate guard”, not “maintain an unthrowable state”.
    Otherwise I don’t understand how this is a change…)
    Alternate Guard still in
13. All characters’ Guard Cancel CD attacks now have normalized hit and recovery frames.
14. All characters’ Guard Cancel CD attacks now have increased priority.
15. Guard Cancel rolls have increased speed and range.
16. Anti-airs can be counter-hit on recovery.
17. First-hit knockback on anti-airs removed.
18. Anti-airs juggle for full hits.
19. Command throws can be counter-hit out of the whiff animation.
20. MAX DMs (SDMs) can be used outside of MAX mode for 3 stocks
    (4 stocks for MAX Super Cancel).
21. With lifebar red, MAX2s can be used outside of MAX mode for 3 stocks,
    or for 1 stock in MAX mode.
22. Visual indication added to lifebar when MAX2 (HSDM) is enabled.
23. In MAX mode, all DMs can be canceled into freely.
    (“All” probably includes MAX DMs/MAX2s.)
24. All characters’ MAX activation/recovery times have been normalized.
    Now equal to Neo-Geo version '02 Kim (who had the quickest animation at 21 frames).
25. In MAX mode, charge moves work without charging if input on hit or block
    (ex. charge b, f+attack becomes b, f+attack in MAX mode).
26. Combo damage after a Quick MAX activation is reduced, excluding DMs.
    If a new combo is started while still in MAX mode, damage returns to normal.
    (Presumably normal for MAX mode, not full damage.)
27. After using a MAX2, another MAX2 cannot be used for a fixed period of time.
28. No throw escapes out of special movement. (Command dashes, teleports, etc.)
29. No throw escapes out of special counters.

THE KING OF FIGHTERS 2002 UNLIMITED MATCH?F?l?I?W?I???m??2002UM?u??F??02??u?? ?V?X?e???

**#7 It either means hitting a diagonal + a button to get a command normal
where you only hit the diagonal for 1 frame will now result in the command move
instead of a standing move, or…
In older kofs let’s say you do a fireball motion quickly with d, d/f, f+P.
Regardless of how long you hit d or f for, if you only stay on d/f for 1 frame,
the move will not come out. You have to stay on d/f for at least 2 frames.
This is why kof motions seem unnecessarily difficult for many people.

http://shoryuken.com/f308/king-fighters-2002-unlimited-match-thread-164842/index7.html#post5809600

[BlackBlazeQ]

Thanks for the posts. I will check out the sites posted.

[faiyez]

I have a question for the PS2 versions.

What’s the easiest way to find out in-game if you’re playing either the UM or the Tougeki version?

[Return_of_Shiki]

Uh…backgrounds, maybe?

[DeltaKyaku]

So about dark characters on a black background being a problem if they had colour edit?

Black Nameless. Fucking stupid. "Hey let’s make the drill the same colour as everything else so you can’t see when he’s doing 90% of the actions in a match.

[Syxx573]

I have a question for the PS2 versions.

What’s the easiest way to find out in-game if you’re playing either the UM or the Tougeki version?

i think it says on the game title screen and has a copyright 2010… i’m pretty sure about that

[Remxi]

I have a question for the PS2 versions.

What’s the easiest way to find out in-game if you’re playing either the UM or the Tougeki version?

IDK if this is the easiest but pick Goro vs anyone in Practice mode and set the dummy to GCA. Cancel a normal into his roll (qcb+K). If he gets hit, it’s Tougeki version, if he evades it then it’s regular version.

Just in case anyone still wants reports of the netcode, I have played 4 different people with ping ranging between 60-110, and all matches had enough input lag that the game is not playable. I think it might be ok at 40ms and under, but I doubt I’ll find anyone with a connection that good. Anyone who says it’s playable at 100ms+ is either retarded, or hasn’t played the game before.

[DeltaKyaku]

Alternatively they may be aware “playable” is a subjective evaluation and when you’re dealing with the internet, mileage may always vary.

[ryushen]

1-About ryo
Beside the punishing what is the the areas that he is better than takuma and robert (( the ex ver of each)) ??
what is the aspect of his game play…???
when i should use f.b.f +p…??
and what is the match up against a run away athena …??

2- what is the trick to do clarck’s max b~f+p into hcfx2+k dm…??

[U-Volt]

Anyone know where I can get some Kusanagi combos/strats? I’ve searched dreamwiki and a few otter places, and all they have is Kyo stuff, but I assume Kusanagi is different.

[Hyperhal]

It’s not Tougeki version

I’ll give credit to SNK since this game is actually kind of fun, but good luck getting more than 5 people to seriously play it with netcode like this, I guarantee this will be dead in a month(just like NGBC). I’m lucky enough to have rogueyoshi as a sparring parter even though its pretty lopsided since the only kof game I remotely took interest in was XI lol

Anyways here is my personal tier list as of right now:

SSSSSSSSSS: Kasumi, King
SSSSSS: Ryan Seacrest, K’
A: Heidern, Iori
C: Shingo, May Lee, Angel
J: Ryo(That nigga is Fucked if King does the fast arm)

[phoenixnl]

Anyone know where I can get some Kusanagi combos/strats? I’ve searched dreamwiki and a few otter places, and all they have is Kyo stuff, but I assume Kusanagi is different.

Err, SRK wiki maybe? Plenty of stuff on kusanagi, only vanilla 2k2 though. But I don’t think his combos have changed that much.

[XTG]

It’s not Tougeki version

In terms of character balances/tweeks, how is it not? Goro’s Command Roll is hittable and throwable.

[Dandy_J]

It’s not Tougeki version

it is

[currentlemon]

Can someone tell me some Kula, Iori and May Lee combos.

[Hyperhal]

it is

It’s more arcade prefect than the Tougeki PS2 port, rather the Tougeki version has the same balance tweeks as the arcade version with the only difference being that it has bugs no present in the arcade version

PS2 2k2um
Arcade 2k2um with balance changes
port of arcade version 2k2um back to PS2 with bugs not found in arcade, named Tougeki version
port of arcade version 2k2um to 360 with those bugs being fixed

Tougeki version refers to the second PS2 port, since the arcade version has an entirely different name if I’m not mistaken

[Return_of_Shiki]

What bugs does the PS2 Tougeki version have?

I had heard that it wasn’t 100% perfect when it came out, but I don’t think I ever heard specifically what the problems were.

[rogueyoshi]

foxy sdm followup whiffs in the left corner in original ps2 ver and tougeki. here and in arcade it does not. theres other little things that are supposedly messed in the tougeki version but i don’t know them.

[faiyez]

That’s stupid.

[PHARAON]

It has unplayable input lag no matter the ping you get.