So they are indeed not considering his Alpha 3 stuff canon anymore, huh?
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I would take it with a grain of salt. Combofiend implied that the New Zealand waterfall is where Nash fell from, but Nash would’ve fallen from Venezuela. I didn’t get the impression that he knew what he was talking about when it comes to story. I’m gonna wait a bit longer before I lose my head over the rectons…
I think what’s important here is how the fuck is this guy time traveling… (Damn you INGRID!!!)
Something tells me that the fight between Ryu and Bison that Rose foresaw won’t be happening in this era. This would be their second confrontation if they do fight. I’m thinking the cliche ‘third time’s the charm’ may apply here. I’m also not sure how refined Ryu’s hadou is at this point, compared to where he would be post-3s.
Wel, we got a little bit of that in the SFII Animated movie, albeit, It was more of a 2-on-1 w/ Ken joining Ryu.
I would enjoy seeing the epic clash of Evil Ryu v. Psycho Bison in which they end up fucking up all kinds of shit around them. Although, even though Bison is considered to be the main antagonist of Street Fighter, I have never consider him to be Ryu’s antagonist. I always thought that Akuma was Ryu’s long time enemy, not Bison.
Akuma has more of a connection based on Ryu being Gouken’s pupil, but that’s about it. Both Bison and Akuma were pursuing Ryu for their own wicked intentions, so I’d say they’re equal in that regard. Ryu doesn’t really treat them any differently.
To be honest, Ryu’s antagonist seems to be himself most of the time…
In light of the events of SF4, I’m inclined to say that Gouken is Akuma’s true rival and he now fights Akuma through his pupil Ryu (literally and metaphorically). When Ryu beats Akuma, it isn’t really Ryu who will win, but rather it will be Gouken and his Master Goutetsu who will claim the last laugh. They are fighting for the biggest for ‘I Told You So’ in SF history, and Ryu is their fist. Right now the score between the two is a tie. Ryu’s fight with Akuma (10-15 years after 3s) is what I imagine will be the tie breaker.
Ryu’s true rival is Sagat and Ken IMO, because Ryu is blissfully unaware of what Bison’s full intentions are, or what his role is in stopping an impending apocalypse. Sagat/Ken and Ryu measure themselves against one another since they started their journey together. Rather than his rival, Bison is Ryu’s destiny, and one of his ultimate tests on the path. Bison has no rivals, since he views no one as his equal. Everyone to him is a tool for an intended purpose serving his ambition, look how quick he seems willing to dispose of Ryu in SFV now that Ryu isn’t as worthy.
Has anyone taken a close look at the monitors in the four kings stage? I could be wrong but im pretty sure the one on the left shows where the lair is located so maybe its something?
I know this thread is about SFV’s story, but if they ever do make an SFVI, what do you guys think of Ryu’s development? I personally think it would be pretty interesting if we saw him either almost done or done with Oro’s training [and incorporating some Oro moves with his own fighting style], and instead of being the face of the series he could be a final boss character who takes on a new protagonist.
That would be the dumbest fucking shit ever. 30 years of being the defacto main character, development and cleansing his own soul only to become what he always hated the most. It’s the lamest plot twist one can do
There’s one thing we have to have clear regarding Street Fighter: Story will never be the most important element, characters and gameplay will. Considered that, you can count on Ryu being the main character in Street Fighter 20 years in the future, and more. The story will have to adapt to Ryu being always a selectable main character, he has little chance to be a boss character, even if we consider a semi-boss status like Gouken and Gouki in SFIV.
We have to view Street Fighter in the same light as comic books like Superman, Spiderman, etc., the main characters will suffer little to no changes and if they do, those will be temporary until the imminent retcon, as they are too iconic to change. The story will have to adapt to that iconic status and the writers will have to come up with plots that are interesting but that somehow don’t advance the characters much. That’s also why you can count on not having significant deaths in SFV or any future SF. Only disposable characters like Seth will die, and even if they wanted, Seth has a few simple ways to be included again in another game, considering he had a lot of clones.
Final bosses of fighting games are supposed to be villains. It’s always been like that with Street Fighter (SF1 Sagat, SF2 Bison, SF3 Gill, SF4 Seth). So that would imply that Ryu would be the bad guy. Otherwise the only reason for getting a new protagonist (which by the way also isn’t new, Alex was the main character of SF3 subseries and had beaten Ryu) is if there is a rival battle like the one Gouken had in his arcade mode in SF4
Sagat was NOT a villain in the original game. He was merely the tournaments host and wanted to prove his superiority as a fighter. Sagat actually takes his loss to Ryu in the first game rather well. He became a villain through retcons.
Fighting Red in the cave was probably the best final battle of all the Pokemon’s.
I think it would be pretty cool down the line for Ryu, but more like 20 or 30 years down the road, as like the final exam for the new blood before they face the real evil, Bison in his 8th body.
I find it to be a refreshing change whenever a fighting game has a final boss that isn’t a villain. Fatal Fury 2’s Wolfgang Krauser is a good example of that.
If the final boss thing is an issue, have Ryu be a hidden final boss for that scenario. In the main story you can have Ryu still playable, but noticeably different from past incarnations, but the hidden boss is an EX-deal.
Hey not to get off topic. But in regards to Gouken and Akuma. Is Gouken legit on par with Akuma? I mean I know he beat Akuma in their first fight. But was Akuma holding back like he usually does? And their third fight ended in the draw. Was Akuma stronger than the first two times they fought? And Akuma got even stronger in third strike. If Gouken was on his level before third strike. Has he now been surpassed by Akuma?
Ryu becoming a master is the natural progression of the character.
He could easily be like Boss Gouken in SF4. I had actually made a Boss Ryu mod for Arcade Edition that I never got around to submitting (http://aemods.pbworks.com). I had submitted a mod that made Boss Seth, Akuma, Gouken, E. Ryu and Oni playable + all charge characters with motion moves.
Akuma did not hold back against Gouken in any of their fights. Akuma intended to fight Gouken to the death, but Gouken refuses to kill his brother to entertain his warped worldview. I think the full story between them goes:
-After killing Goutetsu, Akuma seeks out Gouken and challenges him in a fight to the death. Gouken wins, but refuses to kill Akuma. Akuma goes to train harder, hoping to win the rematch.
-Akuma tracks down Gouken again sometime before Street Fighter Alpha, and seemingly wins the fight. Gouken’s body was put in critical condition, but he recovered from near-death around the time of Street Fighter 4.
-Gouken and Akuma meet again over the collapsed Ryu. Akuma challenges Gouken for control of Ryu’s fate. Since both are later seen alive and well, Gouken probably won but again refused to kill his brother, causing Akuma to go into isolation and train until the events of SF3. Gouken later gives Ryu and Ken a farewell before disappearing off into the wilderness.
-Gouken’s fate after SSF4 is unknown. He could be alive or dead during SFV and/or SF3. SFV may provide some answers, but as of now there’s nothing.
-Gouken’s trick on Ryu was supposed to stick, explaining his enlightenment in SF3 and Akuma’s lack of interest in him by then. SFV may retcon that in order to make an easy internal conflict for Ryu, though at this point he really has no excuse to still be fighting the SNH.