I know what you mean, but I followed Capcom’s SF character poll which included her. I added Haggar though who wasn’t on that poll, that’s got to
Is that really Birdie in Bison’s outfit next to Chun-Li? Or did Bison gain a lot of weight? Also in the art beneath them, is that Bison with Sim doing a Yoga Flame?
And are those FANG’s assistants or Illuminati? How do they perform their experiments with those sleeves? Interesting look for scientists if they are with FANG.
It might just be Birdie in a Shadaloo outfit, he was once a member Shadaloo after all. Goons with similar variable colored uniforms can be seen around the new hanger stage .
Oh so they did change the Shadaloo soldier uniforms. No one had those steel shoulder and leg pads but Bison. I’m looking closer at it now and Birdie is wearing a beret, so this is probably his Shadaloo look. He still has his chains around his wrists though. This is probably one of his alts in story mode.
For reference this was the previous soldier uniform, they look more like modern Nazis now.
I gonna wonder what kind of organization Shadowloo actually is. I doubt drug trafficking and gun trading can get you a stealth bomber and military bases. Shadowloo on the level I expect from a PMC.
Drug trafficking may not get you stealth bombers and military bases on its own merit. Although I’m pretty sure Bison just uses his secret connections with the military to acquire his bases and equipment.
The mainstays bases of Shadaloo have been portrayed as South America, and Southeast Asia. Both of which are mainstays for drug trafficking in the real world today.
Its also may be the reason Bison acquired T.Hawk’s land in Mexico, to set up a smuggling route for Shadaloo through South America into North America.
I’d reverse the placement of Ryu, Ken, Dan, Sakura, Sagat etc vs. Alex, Haggar, Birdie, Adon etc. Ryu and company should be closer to ‘Mystical’ than Haggar and other physical fighters.
Oni should be placed in Mystical along with Rose, Necalli etc. He’s practically the SnH in an anthromorphic form. But since he uses Ansatsuken, I’d be inclined to place him on the very border, further toward Mystical than the rest.
I agree with Blanka being something of a mutant human like Darwin [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_(comics)] from the X-Men. I define mystical as something beyond the scope of SF-verse science.
I could see him being totally disenfranchised with the way governments run. They DO answer to Bison in many ways, after all, and it was responsible for him getting betrayed and gunned down. Rolento is supposed to be a pretty charismatic guy…I could see him swaying Charlie. Plus that could lead to an epic Charlie v. Guile showdown
Oni is rightfully placed. The characters on the mystical side are getting by purely on supernatural forces and not on material art prowess. The characters on both sides of the equalization have mastered their arts beyond a normal human level. That’s where Oni stands. If Akuma wasn’t completely consumed by SnH he can still put up a fight. Can you say the same of Rose if she lost her Soul Power? Would Necalli’s feral fighting style be effective if not powered by SnH?
I don’t think the placement of where they are within the categories/ sub categories matter within this diagram. All’s that matters is whether they fall into one category, a mix of categories, or the other categories. That being said the martial artist category is a little stacked, as it should be since this is a fighting game. Although I definitely think some of the fighters in this category could easily fall within the mystic / martial. Ryu is a good example, but probably more so towards the end of his training as evident in Third Strike. Knowing where the leaves might fall is reference to something Gouken taught him. It’s very esoteric in nature and Ryu is seriously intent on mastering it.
Sagat, Ken, and Dan might lean towards martial mystic, but I’d keep them all on the martial side. I think of Sagat and Ken of having more mystic tendencies than Dan because of how serious each of them are on the subject. Ken takes his masters words seriously, but is more lighthearted with all the ki and hadou stuff. While Dan might be versed in the ways of ki, he is nowhere as knowledgeable or actually serious. Sagat knows how to manipulate ki and is Buddhist from what I gather in SF2. I would say he probably takes his religion seriously once he’s got his pride under control,
I wouldn’t purely peg any of them as a mystic/ martial though, even through ki manipulations and beliefs.
The ki the fighter uses has to be somewhat esoteric in nature, in contrast to the cast of Street Fighter in order for a World Warrior to classify as mystic martial, or pure mystic. Something like Dhalsim’s Yoga is seen as something of disbelief, even to the Street Fighters. That coupled with Sim’s views and beliefs make him perfect for pure mystic. Psycho/ Soul Powers also fall into this category, but since Bison has access to tech and fighting skills while Rose does not, he gets to encompass all three while Rose just gets one.
Oni is rightfully placed, as you wrongfully see the SnH as a separate being. When really it’s just Akuma highly corrupted by power and the SnH. He has gone through great lengths to acquire the power of a “Kishin”, but there is another quite less obvious character who has acquired the same power as well, with less risk and greater benefit. Also, being that they’re both in the same category of mystic martial, this makes sense.
Oro’s super arts references both having the power of the Nio and Kishin, within his Niō Riki (仁王力, “Twin King’s Power”) and Kishin Riki (鬼神力 “Demon/Oni God’s Power”). This basically means he’s gained herculean strength comparable to that of the Niō with one arm (Niō are two wrath filled guardians Akuma himself is modeled after), and a Kishin with both arms. If you want to know the comparable strength of these mystic beings, just imagine the strength of Hercules and Hulk combined. That’s the physical power of Oro’s Senjutsu!
Akuma wishes he had this power, and steeps himself in murderous ki to attain it. The corruption comes from Gouki’s indomitable will to become strong and nothing more. Power at all costs, even if this means becoming the Kishin itself.
I think Blanka would fit into the mystic martial because of how he officially acquires his powers. He does this just by mimicking animals from the jungle, no mutation involved. His electricity is bio-electricity, like the kind given off by electric eels. Ki energy experts have claimed to be able to accomplish a similar feat of manipulating bio-energy through the use of ki. The mystery I feel with Blanka is; how he was able to use the ki in his body to manipulate bio-electricity, without being taught about ki specifically? Even if this is through mutation, its not a tech based mutation, but purely “natural” science at play. (In the scope of SF.)
On a side note. I was just thinking, if I were Guile I’d be pissed about the military calling it quits on Charlie’s case. I’d probably be driven to believe he wasn’t dead either, just in spite of the military.
He and his best friend spend all this time gathering evidence to take down Shadaloo, only for the top military officials to dismiss it as non proof. This is the reason why Charlie decides to go AWOL, and take action on his own.Then Shadaloo supposedly kills Charlie, and the military is just as quick to confirm his death without proof as they are to dismiss his legitimate evidence. Guile’s all about justice, and none was served.
Dhalsim’s should fall under Martial Arts to a degree IMHO. He didn’t get his abilities from birth or some convenient occurrence like Rose or Ingrid did. He got his powers from his training, and his normals aren’t mostly/all infused with Psycho Power, or a Soul Scarf, or glitter. Nothing is increasing his strikes’ strength, and they still tend to be enough to faze the other SF characters, each of which is super OP compared to the average human.
True. Sim does have some fighting potential, but a lot of his potential comes from being able to stretch his limbs. Without this stretch he wouldn’t be a fraction of what he is now. Also, a majority of his training is mystic in nature, which I see as lots of meditation and stretches. He would supplement actual physical training with sharpening his yoga and mind manipulation. Sim hates to actually fight so I take that his training in those aspects would be limited, although not completely negated.
But view the contrast between someone like Sagat and Dhalsim in the SFxT art, one who I feel is pure martial artist with some esoteric tendencies, the other pure mystic with some fighting skill. One is clearly passing time vigorously training, while the other meditates.
I posted a theory regarding Sim’s ki in the old story thread. Basically, I think that Sim’s stretch ability is actually a form of unique ki derived from Yoga practice that he can surge throughout his whole body. I say this because ki can take many forms, like a liquid it can be solid, liquid, or gaseous. “Solid” ki can be visible (like a Hadoken) or non visible, but it’s rigid nature makes it perfect for amplifying striking techniques. We normally see gaseous/ liquid formless ki in displays of power like Akuma’s kata stance, or Chun’s V Trigger. Imo, the way the ki swirls and whirls around is exactly how Sim’s limbs resemble when stretching them, especially in SFV. It’s almost as if his yoga allows his body to conform to the shape and flow of his own ki, making himself one with his own energy.
Sims fire has been stated to be an illusion by Sim himself, but Gouken can see that his techniques are similar to the Hadou. We know Hadou can actually generate real flames, as evident from Ken’s quotes to Hakan.
I feel as though whatever the Hadou Gouken see’s from Sim stems from the limbs and not the fire. You can even see “wave motion” in them if viewed close enough. (as in the actual motion of his limbs, not the ki itself.)