My theory? Guile’s been training with this guy…
OMG CVS3 confirmed!!!
I hope Guile doesn’t reach a point where he’ll question if killing Nash will be for the greater good.
When going by his personality in SF4, we see that it’s something he’d totally consider **if **it’s that extreme. This particular win quote strongly implies it:
To Gen: “It’s not my mission, but the world would be better off if I put an end to you…”
Now we all know Gen is far less of a threat compared to someone like Bison, but the very fact that he’s an assassin *with *a fighting style specifically used for killing makes him a problem. If Nash’s new power makes him go off the deep end, like doing serious damage to those that try to stop him, I can more than likely see Guile doing what he needs to do to stop him.
Old, but taking no chances:
[details=Spoiler]In the SF2 manga, Guile killed a brainwashed Nash because he began to attack innocents in his insane, out of control state.
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I think it’s inevitable that they’ll clash, but I’m hoping Nash will put his bitterness to the side and fight alongside Guile.
Like discussed above, it also depends on how much hatred he has out for Guile if he really thinks he was part of the conspiracy that betrayed him.
I just at feel at this point, anything could really go since Nash is already a massive dick.
I still maintain that it wouldn’t make sense. He’s established he’s on limited time, Ed confirmed it and he’s trying to get to Bison while his, as of yet unrevealed plan, looks like it’s going to level major parts of the planet and Necalli is running around. I seriously don’t think that he would waste time tracking down a defenceless teenage girl and housewife, murder them, go after Bison, murder him and then murder Guile. It’s all too much.
I think that if he thinks Guile is a part of his betrayal, they’ll have a fight to try and end it there, and maybe Nash hesitates on the killing blow and his body starts to weaken, so he leaves a battered Guile alive, goes off to recuperate for a much as he can and goes to finish off Bison. Not sure how all this would go, but to Charlie, Bison is the ultimate big fish. He takes him out, all the cards topple. If Guile is in his way they’ll fight, probably to a draw, he goes after Bison and then may try and clean up any loose ends afterwards. He’d have to prioritize if he thinks or is indeed dying again. Bison’s other helpers are bad news, but he needs to take the head of the beast to make sure the other heroes can deal with the riffraff if he’s unable to continue his mission.
It does seem a little much when you put it that way. That being said, while Nash is busy obsessing over Bison, how much influence do the Illuminati have over him and how malevolent are they?
I still anticipate things between Nash and Guile to turn extremely bitter and ugly one way or another. And the reason why this is not like The Winter Soldier is because Nash actively remembers and shuns Guile. How long will it be before Guile realises that Nash is a lost cause?
Here’s my lil SFV fanfic on a possible scenario where it can get bad. Tell me what you think:
[details=Spoiler]Guile is tracking Nash before finding him at some Shadaloo hideout. Nash is killing a bunch of Shadaloo henchmen
Guile: "NASH!!!"
Nash: "What do you want?"
Guile: "Nash, you were once a hero. You were my inspiration to become a better man. Now you’ve been reduced to a cold blooded killer!"
Nash: "Say what you will. I’m going to kill Bison and all those who follow him. Stand in my way if you want, but it won’t end well for you."
Guile: "If it takes everything I have, I will not allow you to continue on this bloody path to nowhere."
Nash: “I warned you. I gave you a chance to escape your fate, but you leave me no choice but to kill you.”
Both fight, with Nash gaining an upperhand
Guile: "Guah…What is wrong with you? Are you even human anymore?!"
Nash: "I live for Bison’s death. I’m no longer the Nash you knew. I’m little more than a vengeful monster."
Guile: "I…I tried so hard to find you, Nash. It shouldn’t be like this."
Nash: “Save it. I don’t care. Sonic Break!!”
As the two Sonic Booms hone in on Guile, Chun-Li appears and stops it with a Kikosho. Cammy is with her
Cammy: "Guile, are you okay?!! What’s going on?! You? Get away from him!!"
Chun-Li: "Is that Nash?! I sense a strange feeling from him. It’s like he’s not even alive, yet his power is very real. Why?"
Nash: "Reinforcements, huh? I remember you, Interpol girl and Killer Bee! You especially, Killer Bee. Have you forgotten your sins?"
Cammy: "What do you mean?"
Nash: "Your hands are filled with blood. Blood from innocents. Revamping your vile life will not change that!"
Cammy: “I…I…don’t know how to feel…”
Cammy is filled with confusion
Chun-Li: "Shut up!!! Bison’s brainwashing was to blame for that. Ever since, she’s been fighting against Shadaloo with us."
Nash: "I don’t give a damn! That will not wipe the past away! I’ll show you just how much repenting you’ll be doing!
Guile: "He’s lost his damn mind! This isn’t Nash at all! What happened to Nash?!"
Cammy: "I might’ve done evil deeds, but I’ve spent my life trying to fix those mistakes."
Nash: "This is it. Interpol, get in my way and I’ll eliminate you along with Killer Bee."
Chun-Li: “Noooooooooooooo…”
Cammy enters into her fighting stance as Nash dashes up to Bazooka Knee her away. Feeling woozy, she recovers and throws out a Cannon Spike, which is easily dodged
Cammy: 'What speed. He vanished."
Guile: "Where?!"
Chun-Li: "I don’t see him at all…“
Nash: 'Right here.”
Nash appears above Cammy, kicking her in the face.
Chun-Li: "I have to…"
Guile: "No. This is my fight."
Chun-Li: "But your condition…"
Guile: “I said…this is my fight. I won’t have your deaths on my consciousness. Not like I had Nash’s. This is no longer the Nash that I knew.”
Nash dashes towards Cammy, who punches through thin air as Nash disappears again
Cammy: "Wha…what? Again?!’
Nash appears behind Cammy, both of his hands glowing with light blueish energy
Nash: "Bison will join you in hell soon!!"
Chun-Li: "Behind you!!"
Guile: “NASHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!”
With renewed willpower, Guile attacks his former friend with all of his strength. He then unleashes several Sonic Booms on Nash, briefly stunning him
Nash: "I see. You’re not anything like before. I’m pleased you actually became a respectable fighter. It wasn’t a waste, after all"
Guile: "Neither are you. Everything you stood for died in your confrontation with Bison. The real Nash died that day."
Nash: "Are you still playing dumb? No matter. I have to find Bison and the remnants of Shadaloo. That’s why I returned in the first place."
Guile: "That’s the reason for your return?! What do you mean? Answer me, damn it!!"
Nash: “You’ll know soon enough. You better keep a close eye on Killer Bee. I know I will. Later.”
Nash Sonic Move’s out of the hideout
Guile: Cammy! Are you okay?"
Cammy: "I was frozen with fear. He was going to kill me. I felt it."
Chun-Li: "Looks like we now have another problem on our hands. To think Nash would be a threat to us instead of fighting on our side."
Guile: "I can’t let him continue like this. Revenge his consumed him. He’ll very likely kill anyone who’ll try to talk sense into him."
Chun-Li: "What can be done about him? Maybe hope he and Bison will take each other out?"
Guile: "No, that’s not enough. I have to stop Nash. Even if it means I’ll have to…kill him. He’s too reckless now. I don’t see it getting any better."
Cammy: "My sisters. He might take his vengeance out on them, too."
Guile: “We’ll stop him no matter what needs to be done. Bison and Shadaloo as well. All of them.”[/details]
If it went down like this, I could see how Nash could be considered an actual threat. The attitude towards Cammy and Chun-Li are derived from his win quotes towards them. I’m trying to look at the quotes and how they’d apply from a story perspective rather than just a random fight.
Nash becomes more like Jason Todd the more this get unveiled. At this moment, I have no problems with Guile using his booms to slice off Nash’s limbs ROTS-style.
Your quotes to Charlie by Guile are what I wished to be Guile’s winquote against him:
“Charlie Nash is gone. You are a twisted parody of him and his ideals”.
EDIT: Adding in obligatory Civil War shoutout to your little fic:
Guile: Sorry Nash, she’s our friend.
Nash: sarcastically So was I
I agree with you there, it’s gonna get really, really ugly especially since we’ve been given no indication that he’s brainwashed, like you said. I just hope the execution is good! June seems so far away!
Never mind
His immense obsessive hatred for Bison is probably the big clue that all his actions are genuinely of his own intent and consent. Only outside influence is if the Illuminati is fuelling that hate to get his cooperation.
Like Doctorine mentioned, his targeting of Cammy will also put him on the extreme end of the dick scale for both the audience and the heroes.
We were finally talking about SFV again too…
Yo, I can just imagine it!
Touchdown, there’s nothing “official” about the Training Guide. I dunno why you seem to hold it in such high authority in the face of all the things we know now. Things change. The Training Guide is not the holy grail of information.
Will anyone agree that the crowning sweet and moving moment will Chun and Guile standing up against Nash for Cammy and telling him to chill and back the fuck off? Doctorine did a possible take in it.
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I can show you an OFFICIAL character relation chart from SF2 that shows Adon had stolen a grey headed lapwing bird from M.Bison. Even though this had been their relation linking them during SF2 this is currently irrelevant to the plot.
Third Gear.
Nah.
ICHI GORILA!
NI GORILA!
SONIKU HARRIKANE!
Holy fuck, dude.
The AFTERMATH video? The one that shows C. Viper investigating “The end of Shadaloo” and that explicitly shows her at the same site as Bison’s boss stage in SFII so much so that they show the goddamn bell from the stage AS THE PRIMARY FOCUS OF AN ESTABLISHING SHOT?
The GODDAMN AFTERMATH video? The one that shows everyone thinking Bison is dead after a suicide maneuver when people in SF4 are explicitly surprised to see Bison alive again to the point that even Vega & Balrog have to be recruited back into Shadaloo with the news that Bison is back?
The GODDAMN FUCKING AFTERMATH video? The one that shows FUCKING SETH ALIVE in his SIN clothing?
That movie takes place AFTER SF4? Really? REALLY??
GTFO. You can’t even watch events spoonfed to you in a linear order without, apparently, having an aneurysm and fucking up so badly that you think the movie is at the LITERAL exact opposite place in the timeline it should be. This is literally like watching Creed and insisting it must take place before Rocky II in the Rocky timeline because Rocky II has a goddamn II in it. It’s that unbelievably dumb.
You can come into the thread and ask questions, ask for clarification, or ask for supporting documents and, believe you me, the guys around here (myself included) are typically more than happy to give answers, citation and fun supposition…but if you’re coming in and dredging up shit that has been addressed ad nauseum repeatedly while accepting NOTHING of input from others, don’t expect people to be nice to you or even to try and listen to you. Because they shouldn’t. The guys in here are way too nice and way too patient to have to put up with bullshit like you crapping all over their efforts by acting like a fucking brat. They’re also probably too nice to say this shit…but I’m not at this point. Shut the fuck up. Stop repeating the same shit. Stop beating a dead horse. Stop shitting on the credibility of people that have put in a lot of time.
Everyone already said that, yes, Akuma SGS’d Bison in the old canon.
Everyone already said that there was supporting documents for this.
Everyone already pointed out that this shit no longer seems valid for reasons X, Y, Z through goddamn Zeta.
Everyone has also stated that this shit is STILL fuzzy because Capcom refuses to clarify some shit and multiple cooks in the kitchen have confused issues of canon material and source citation.
These are the facts of both the situation being discussed and the nature of the discussion at hand.
There is NOTHING to further the conversation with unless new stuff comes to light. We’ve already picked apart what we can from SFV. At this point, all you can do is make yourself look stupid by saying things like “Aftermath takes place after SF4” when that is absolutely retarded given, y’know, what the fuck actually occurs in the Aftermath video.
The topic is done.
Finished.
Finito.
It has ceased to be.
Going forward, barring LEGITIMATE new information, I’m not even legitimizing posts about Akuma->Bison->SGS by even reading them let alone responding to them. I suggest everyone do the same.
Now, get on board with the discussion at hand and the purpose of it or get out of Fucktown.
Regarding Guile & his upcoming story mode…
I seriously hope it has some good advancement for Guile. ONE new twist to his shtick is really all I’m looking for. Something to progress him even slightly. I was already disappointed with Ryu redoing the whole SnH thing…don’t do me that way again with Guile, Capcom.
Nash being back already forces Guile to approach his problem differently. I actually think I know where this is going:
-Guile/Chun/Cammy encounter Nash in New York (At the very least, Rashid is somewhere around there too, see Nash and Rashid’s moments in the cinematic story trailer)
-Nash is going to attack Cammy when Chun and Guile step in. They try to talk him down, but Nash isn’t having any of it.
-Between the 3 of them, Nash is outmatched (and too internally conflicted to fight at full power) and forced to retreat
-Guile takes note of the gem on Nash’s head and eventually realizes the Illuminati are responsible for FrankeNash
-Guile now goes after the Illuminati to avenge Nash, which makes him relevant to that story arc now
Refreshing some details we’ve seen in the cinematic story trailer:
-The PSAs (mainly orchestrated by FANG and Bison) are launched into space
-The US military (possibly other organizations) find out Bison plans to launch them at the Earth in specific areas
-The eclipse from a PSA awakens Necalli, who goes after Ryu
-Nash shows up to a New York City in flames
-At some point, Chun/Ken/Laura are together in Brazil
-Zangief and Mika are in a tournament together
-Ken bodies a group of Shadowloo goons in Brazil
-Rashid fights Chun in New York
-Vega is in New York at some point
-Dhalsim protects Mahesh, presumably from Necalli
-A ghost/shadow of Bison appears in the waterfall tomb
-Cammy is also in Brazil with Chun (this is where she has the Decapre image in her eyes)
@“Lord Vega” The bolded part about Allen, this happens to be the page mentioned in M.Bison’s section within the guide?
http://i.imgur.com/bsQ6I9N.jpg
Vasili has an old translation dealing with this page.
Spoiler
Also, do you happen to have access to the SF3 Fanbook Q & A’s?