Boss characters, like Vega, Seth, Gill whoever will always be much stronger than the good guys, even mid-bosses like Balrog and Mike Bison will be stronger, but the good guys will always win anyways (Chun, Guile, Ryu, Alex, Cammy, etc. etc… )
Welcome to, oh, every movie, video game, book, TV show, fucking painting ever going back The Bible.
The end.
Cammy never beat Juri. Juri and a second rate fighter like Viper both wiped the floor with Cammy, effortlessly might I add. It’s more probable that it is something like Juri > Vega > Viper > Cammy.
You keep bringing up those rival fights as canon when you do not understand the implications of accepting them as canon. Instead of attempting to villainize me over it, try to see that if we were to accept Cammy defeating Vega as canon or Cammy defeating Vega as canon then we must accept most if not all mid-rival fights in Alpha 3 and SF4 as canon. This is problematic because most of these rival fights, if true, would create many continuity errors and plot holes in their wake. This is unacceptable if we want a cohesive story out of the series. If you just try to see the big picture, you will understand why I am telling you these rival fights cannot and must not be considered canon. They can be canon if they are referenced as such in an event that happens after them (for example, Juri acknowledging her defeat at the hands of Cammy in the future would automatically make her rival fight canon). I don’t care if Cammy is mid-tier or S-tier, I have no personal stake in this. I am merely telling you what I know.
When you sit there and tell me that Cammy is S-tier, you are telling me that Cammy, a young female with an actual age of about half a dozen years, is as powerful or more powerful than a time traveling goddess, evil incarnate, an elemental demigod/messiah, a hermit with 140 years of fighting experience on his CV, an immortal demon who feeds on negative energy, or characters that can block the raging demon -one of the most deadly attacks in the SF universe- with their back turned. Do you see how absurd this can sound? Don’t make it personal.
Anyway, out of curiosity I’d really like to read that full tierlist.
He has a point. When he ambushes Chun in the SF movie he get’s some damage in, but once it’s one on one he get’s destroyed. I don’t know how you can interpret that in any other way than to say he’s no match for her. I know I know it’s the movie not canon but the games don’t explore this at all, so really nobody has an argument either way, or rather it can be argued either way.
The games stories are purposefully ambiguous. Rivalries are left for interpretation/up in the air. That’s because it’s a character based video game, where the intention is to chose your favorite and have fun. You get little bits and pieces to play with but the fun is using your imagination. I’m not making an argument one way or another, I’m saying it’s ridiculous to dogpile on this guy because he’s suggesting Cammy could take Claw. She absolutely could, without question.
SF is a rich universe, the game universe, which is the only one that matters, and there are distinctions in power levels made quite clear, like how strong Oro is and how far above the rest he is, how far above Ryu who himself by 3S is a good ways above everyone else. So it’s really Oro>>>>Ryu 3S>>>>Dictator SF2>>>> everyone else really. Maybe slip Gouki between Oro and Ryu or something, Gill at the top if you want, maybe not, he too is pretty ambiguous other than he’s very very strong, but that was part of his brilliance it’s even open for interpretation whether he’s good or evil or something inbetween.
Key word being interpretation. I like Claw more than Cammy and Cammy more than Chun but I don’t see why Cammy can’t take him. We’ll see in SFV maybe! But don’t shit on this kid like you know something and have this absolute proof, you don’t, neither does Sin or whats his face.
You first, all Rival fights in SF happend at one point. It doesn’t mean they had their full lenght.
Bison fought with Juri a short time, but retreated, to eleminate Seth first.
Balrog and Vega both fought Chun and retreated,cause they were loosing.
Cammy fought with Juri and guess what? She won.
Stop making things you don’t want to belive non-canon.
And just for you:
SSS: Ingrid
SS: Gill,Akuma,M.Bison,Oro,Gen
S: Rolento,Cody,Guy,Cammy,Juri,Rose, Dhalsim,Nash,Gouken
A: Dudley,Ken,Abel,Seth,Sodom,E.Ryu,Decapre
B: Ryu,Urien,Alex,Hugo(with Poison),Chun-Li,C.Viper,Sagat,DeeJay,Fei Long,Maki,Juni,Juli
C: Yun,Yang,Elena,Ibuki,Sakura,Karin,Eagle,Zangief,Balrog,Vega,Remy,Rufus,Makoto
D : Hakan,E.Honda,Blanka,Guile,T.Hawk,Adon,El Fuerte,R.Mika,Poison
E: Dan,Hugo(without Poison),Sean,Birdie
Not rated: Q,Twelve
Note: Every Fighter is able to win a fight against a Fighter one Tier above him. Except for Ingrid, she has the strengh of all SS Chars combined x20
Why do you think you know everything after watching 2 OVA’s?
I follow SF lore since 15 years,I even read the japanese magacines with detailed descriptions of every characters strenghs,weaknesses, why they’re strong weak etc.
Do you really think I belive one thing you say, without checking all the facts first?
You want to know some other thinks?
Like Ryus loosing streak?
Why Juri will lose against Abel 100% of the time? Why Cammy will win allways in the end? Why M.Bison didn’t try to get Cammy back?
You actually think I know everything from watching two OVAs? Look at the number under my name. I have been on these boards for 14 years reading and discussing Street Fighter, and especially Street Fighter fiction, with people FAR more knowledgeable that I ever hoped to be on the subject. I have been an avid Street Fighter fan for more than 25 years. Yet here you are with the audacity to suggest to me that Rolento, Cammy, Guy, or Sim are more powerful than Evil Ryu, Urien, or even Seth. The audacity to suggest that nobodies like Sodom, Abel, and Dudley are actually stronger than the actual series’ protagonist, that everyone and their mother are after because of his potential power. And you want me to take you seriously? Why? Because ‘Japanese’ people said so? Or because you read ‘magazines’?
You just took a dump on whatever credibility you might’ve had in my eyes. I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt, but this tier list of yours and whatever implications it carries with it are preposterous. Along with it are your ‘canon’ fights that go against the very story you claim they are a part of.
Haha that’s awesome! Where did you find this?
I don’t consider Ingrid a Street Fighter. She’s some crap left on the chopping room floor that they threw out so that they could say Capcom Fighting Jam wasn’t a complete cut and paste job
You kinda served these guys to be honest. Well done.
Here’s what my list would be:
?: Q
SS: Gill>Oro> Akuma>Ryu>Gen>Seth>Dictator
S: Urien,Ken, Cammy, Nash, F.A.N.G., Necali, Gouken, Makoto, Chun-Li,C.Viper, Sagat, Juri, Rose, Dudley, Vega, Remy, Rufus, Yun, Yang, Elena, Ibuki, Alex, Hugo(with Poison), Fei Long (No order)
A: Dhalsim, Guile, Eagle, Laura, Zangief, Boxer, Necro, Maki, Rolento, Cody, Guy, Abel, Sodom, Poison, E.Honda, T.Hawk, Adon, Birdie (no order)
B: R. Mika, Rashid, Hakan, Blanka, DeeJay, Decrapper, Juni, Juli, Twelve (no order)
C: Sakura, Karin (no order)
F : El Farte>Sean>>>Dan
Not rated: Ingrid. Because she’s dumb. And doesn’t exist in the universe.
Blue Mary has a gun and a dog and a beautiful voice
Yamazaki just one knife and a horrifying face and screams
Therefore she must be higher tier!
Well isn’t the point of stealth to take out someone without getting into a dogfight?
I have different views on the movie fight. I wouldn’t call multiples claw attacks aimed at Chun-li’s face with the purpose of offing her “toying.” Vega doesn’t look too handicapped when he slashes her in her face, chest, etc. He was able to brutalize her only because she had already been quite weakened.
Yo, this is some fucking comedy gold we got going on in this thread. Holy shit.My personal highlight is someone saying Chun could easily beat Sagat. :get_outta_here:
…what the…? What’s going on in this thread? It’s all of a sudden derailed into squabbling…
That actually proves that you never took the lore serious.
Ryu’s destiny is to become the strongest and he will reach this goal, as old man. He is far away from this and is losing now to nobodys like Dudley,Abel or Sodom.
Cody and Guy are the heroes of Metro City, Cody is the protagonist of FF and FF is set before SF. Also has Cody compared to Ryu, only lost against one Fighter over and over, Rolento.
While Ryu gets beaten by everyone, hell Sakura is as strong as he 3 years after SFIV, what would be 3S and there will Ryu lose against Dudley and Ken.
Yet Urien isn’t that powerfull, he is a strong and capable fighter, but never scratched his limits. His problem is Gill, without Gill will Urien actually start to get stronger and reach his real potential. He lost against Ken and faked a K.O against Chun, but he was losing this fight too. Explain me why Urien is so strong? OMG FIRE EXPLOSION!!!
Seth was just a Body Replacemeant, why is this now bold? Simple. All of Bisons Body replacemeants got biological and the older ones technical enhancemeants, to make them stronger and more durable than any human could ever be.
Guess what Cammy is? Bisons final experiement, she got the same enhancemeants all other experiements got, what makes her stronger than any other human.
But of course this is nonsense, this would mean that Cammy could actually win a battle against Juri… oh wait she won! But according to you it’s non canon, cause this isn’t possible.
Juri without her eye is rated C-Tier. She was Taek Wan Do Champion of Korea in the age of 15. She is 25 in SFIV, hasn’t defended her titel once, and didn’t train a lot like other chars. She can’t controll Chi, her Chi is only powerfull while the FSE is running.Now comming to Juris attacks is the most fun part. Juris kicks unload a lot of uncontrolled Chi. This is basicly like a hit on your backhead with a bottle of whine/beer etc. It will knock everyone out who is not prepared for this and it becomes less and less effective the more often she hits someone. Her Chi goes also out of controll if she becomes angry. What leads to a Chi Explosion, this won’t do much against animals and humans, but it can destroy entire buildings. Note everyone who did in the supermarket got buried under the building. Her eye makes her faster,it makes her stronger, but it doesn’t make her so overpowered like you belive and she will allways lose longer fights or against someone who is familar with her attacks.
E.Ryu is just a wild Ryu, people still think he is Akuma. E.Ryu is a animal that doesn’t think, it just acts, he is powerfull indeed, the Satsui no Hado is powerfull, but it corrupts the soul. Anyways E.Ryu is just a dumb and nonsense acting powered up Ryu. Ryu is strong mid-hightier because he is a strong,calm and patient fighter. E.Ryu has no strengh Ryu has, he is just nonsense acting power.
The point why the magacines are important is the character archtype and their personality + the reason why they fight.
Ryu has his goal and becomes stronger every SF titel, yet he isn’t even close to what he is supposed to be one day. His Hado slows his learning progress,cause he has to fight with it every god damn minute. The power of nothingness is also something he learns to controll after his long training with Oro. This training is finished ~ 30 years after SF3. So Ryu reaches his goal 30 years after SF3.
Now Cammy is some kind of Son Goku Archtype. Characters appear that show her her limits and she has to overcome her limits. Cammy is a character that will never give up, she will just stand up and fight harder, become stronger every time something happens. She fights to defend her friends and will never give up, no matter what someone will do. And I allready stated why she can overcome her limits.
Or maybe you don’t know who are the protagonists of the SF series ?
Here to remind you:
SF1: Ryu
SFA: Ryu
SFA2:Ryu,Nash,Rose
SFA3:Ryu,Cammy
SF2: Guile,Chun-li,Cammy
SF4: Abel,Chun-Li,Guile,Cammy,Bison,Juri
SF3: Alex
Ryus story runs as sidestory and will become relevant if he has to be relevant. Yet the fight against Shadaloo has barely something to do with Ryu. Ok Bison started the SF2 tournament because of him, but Ryu never reached the finals, he helped hunting Bison down after the finals, what we can see in the OVA. Seth also started his tournament to catch Ryu, but Ryu never reached the facility. YES, his Vanilla SFIV ending is non-canon,same goes for Dan,Sakura and Sagat.
Ingrid is canon, at that she exist is canon. She didn’t do anything in Alpha3,appart from waking Ryu up and having a short Chat with Rose.
This list is also based on the happenings in 3S for all Chars that were in 3S,everyone else is SFIV status.
Ryu might be SS Tier one day, but not in 3S.
It is from a japanese fansite, they discusse lore since SF exist, I joined ~ 3 years ago, because I realy wanted to know what happend and who is how strong.
Good that I have family other there, well the gf has not me.
You can only join or even read stuff on this side if you get a invite and there’s no option to change language, is allways japanese 
All I care about is that Vega better get more than one rival match. I’m certain everyone else got at least two in SF4, one in their own story and one with another character’s.
Yeah because opinions of some Japanese forum members totally invalidate any other arguments, just because they are Japanese
Fuck outta here
I have doubts that they will stick to the rival format from before. We are likely going to get an actual story mode that is possibly inclusive of all characters like MK. Otherwise they’ve been hyping it up over nothing if it is the same as before.
I’m sorry, but that’s a ridiculous tier list. Cammy is NOT above Ryu, Chun, Ken, Alex, Seth, E. Ryu (Are you serious?), Viper, Sagat or Vega. I’m seriously starting to get the impression that you’re a bit delusional. Japanese≠always right.
I would disagree with some of those tiers.
-Until we see more of the SFV story, Nash/Fang/Necalli should be in ??? tier because we don’t know their limits yet
-I don’t know what to call it, but there’s definitely a “can take on ridiculous numbers and win” tier that includes Cody, Guy, and Juri
-If you pay attention, SFV Karin is WAY stronger than A3 Karin. She’s probably on par with Chun-Li by now. Sakura, provided she has spent this time training and utilizing her potential, should be at least there as well.
-Hugo took a Shin Shoryuken and continued fighting. He’s higher than you would think on raw strength.
-Almost every Street Fighter is stronger than your average fighter. I would make an exception for SF3 Sean, however, simply because he isn’t a prodigy and hasn’t had the training he needs.
Capcom’s list is pretty ridiculous. Which is why you should just use your imagination and have fun, not take this so seriously.
Yeah Chun would crush Sagat in the 3S era/future. She was made very strong in the story. If she can beat Urien and challenge Gill I’m not sure why Sagat would be a problem.
Mimimimi.
At least they took the time to make something like this with real character background and don’t just pick Ryu and the villians and put them at the top.
I rather have their opinion and constantly changing list( the list was updated yesterday), than Mr and Mrs Lemming that allways put the same 5 chars at the top for: Looking op, did this in video x, is the protagonist.
Cammy is above them because: never lost a match in a tournament, Bison body repleacemeant therefore the enhancemeants, won against Juri in SFIV, her reason to fight, constant training.
Chun is either sitting in Hong Kong making the police officier or is practicing kids how to defend themself.
Ken has become a businessman, he could be S if this didn’t happen, he practiced a lot more before.
I explained Ryu allready, his random powers don’t count.
Gill hold back against Alex, Alex had a hard fight against Hugo(with Poison) and got beaten by Ryu no matter how often he tried it. Ryu lost to Dudley and Ken.
Seth is just a body repleacemeant, he has nothing but his enhancemeants, the same Cammy has. Yet Cammy is practicing,Seth doesn’t.
I explained why E.Ryu is just above Ryu.
Vipers Gagets work one time, they don’t make her a better fighter and she didn’t do anything important in the tournament.(Outside of beating hakan)
Sagat fights less brutal than before and actually tries to find himself. Sagat isn’t weaker than before, anyone else has just become stronger.
Vega is Vega. No ambush = no chance to win.
Oh 3S Chun probably could beat SF4 Sagat, but we don’t know how well Sagat is doing in the 3S timeline.
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-Chun also beat Juri in their rematch, so you still have nothing to support your claim that Cammy is stronger. Sounds a bit biased to me.
-Fair point, though it isn’t enough to assume Cammy would win. Viper beat Cammy effortlessly, and E. Ryu did the same to Viper, yet you say Cammy is above both of them? No.
-Ryu isn’t like Zangief or Hugo where his slowness is emphasized. He’s decently fast. Coupled with strength that matches theirs
he can totally beat Cammy. After all, he has better feats than she does.
-Evidence that Gill held back?
-Seth has been depicted as stronger than Ryu, whom everyone in the world but you agrees is above Cammy.
-Your point for Sagat is 100% assumptions.
-Your point about Vega is ignorant. He let Cammy beat him, and he’s on Chun’s level. Who has always been depicted as superior to Cammy. I get that you love Cammy. She’s great. But please, let’s keep it realistic.