The Inevitable Street Fighter V Story Thread: ARCADE EDITION!

Street Fighter V
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The unharmed part was mentioned for the design itself. There isn’t anything mentioned about what happened with his body in SSF2X (with the exception of Gamest #255 where it was stated that he became flaming powder after the SGS). Also, in Zero 3, Vega is stated to be able to survive an explosion… His clothes were wrecked, but his body was unharmed…

That’s because there wasn’t a match. Gouki attacked Vega by surprise. And there’s no reason for them to bicker about it in SF4/USF4. Vega was saying that he was the best, Gouki wanted to test it and attacked him with his most powerful move, calling him pathetic for relying only in Psycho Power. Vega was defeated/killed. Since he can resurrect in a new body, and it’s Ryu’s body his ultimate goal, why would he want revenge or something? He doesn’t care for such minor setbacks like these. What he wants is to take over Ryu’s body, reach Psycho Power’s ultimate potential and take over the planet.

Also, Zangief and Sakura quotes to each other also hint that they never have met before…

That anime trailer shows what happened AFTER the events of SF2. They didn’t mention what events. So we take everything as canon, including the Gouki part. However, when the game came out, Honda is said to be in the international fighting circuit for the first time. SOOOO… his presence in SF2 was retconned…

It’s not hard to believe that they removed a bunch of the SFZ3 and SF2 stuff. However, stablished canon facts that aren’t specifically retconned (like Chun-Li facing Balrog instead of Vega at the SFZ2 time), should’t be simply removed. Still… Mika’s Z3 ending was meant to be a what-if scenario. But SFV proved otherwise…

Bakfromon is comparing both translations.

Surely it implies that she isn’t 100% normal either. There’s also an entry mentioning that she did an exam using a drop of blood, and it was discovered that her appearance didn’t match her genetic code (including her gender…). I need to discover where that came from… I’m leaning towards “Mysteries of the Hadouken” (Hadouken no Nazo). The point wasn’t when the weird sci-fi stuff was created? Also, you mentioned that she was simply an assassin for Vega…

It does pay homage to a canon event. Also, SFIV didn’t show much of the character’s past…

Proof that he wasn’t attacked? We don’t know how much time have passed after the end of SF2 and the suicidal explosion. If Vega have the Psycho Drive, he could be healed in a few moments just like he did several times in Z3…

The anime was made to make a bridge between SF2 and SF4. I don’t think the creators had the intention to alter the outcomes of SF2, since it’s placed AFTER the SF2 events.

Sure! And I’ll argument against it one more time… Also, how can you be so sure that there wasn’t a winner in the new canon? Capcom never mentioned anything…

Nothing. Capcom didn’t mentioned what happened at the very end of SF2 in the new storyline. So…

Look, I’m not saying that Capcom didn’t retcon the Gouki attacking Vega thing. However, they never mentioned anything about it.

If memoy serves me right, the japanese dialogue had Vega mentioning about them coming with him. Both of them.

Vega was taking Decapre with him, with or without Cammy. What he did was to make Cammy coming along with them…

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Imo yes, but keep in mind what I’m translating from some of these guide (especially SF2CF and AASFZ3) is usually more of a direct and detailed entry description than anything that’s presented in a English guide.

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“no reason to bicker”. Yeah you’re right. Obviously if someone murdered Bison he’d totally be like “Oh hey dude, never seen you before. What’s up, bro?” next time he sees them. He’s an easy-going guy like that and not at all an ego-driven sociopath that would demand come-uppance for anyone that dared to fuck with him like that. Also, Akuma, who is obsessed with fights & death matches would never remark upon an earlier defeat of a foe. Wouldn’t happen.

What the fuck ever.

Done discussing it. Don’t have the patience for shit right now. Honestly, Capcom’s so fucking incompetent THEY probably don’t even know what’s going on. Dumb asses can’t even figure out how to release a half-way competent game and that’s their focus so why the fuck should they be able to string together a half-coherent narrative with at least the skill of a turtle with a learning disability in aforementioned games? Their track record seems to favor the turtle over them.

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Rare footage of Yagami actually angry

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Not rare. He would get this angry often in the sales thread when it was still around.

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I take it it’s because of different writers, right? It’s like in comics. You ever read Thanos Rising? They retconned Thanos’ origin from before even though the original version came straight from his mouth. I don’t know why the hell they even allowed that. It’s just annoying inconsistencies we have to learn to live with.

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The “bargain” in Decapre’s ending is giving Decapre to Bison. Cammy wanted to save her as she did with Juni, but Decapre was an unstable psychopath that wouldn’t rest until Cammy was dead. Bison shows up and offers to take Decapre back rather than let her rot and decay. Cammy, conflicted because returning her would throw her back into Bison’s hands, ultimately accepts because she intends to save her from Bison at a later date. Come SFV, she’s parting ways with Juni, who has now recovered. Cammy’s mission is to rescue more Dolls, which explains her prologue flashback about Decapre and why she breaks into the Shadowloo base and fights FANG.

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There’s also Birdie’s line about Decapre being recalibrated. We know that Bison kept his end of the bargain.

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Not that rare nowadays unfortunately.

SFV plus my last year in general can be summed up thusly…

Yes, it’s a lack of actual story-telling vision that trades on short-term shock & awe over long-term investment. That short-term tactic, just like in comics, burns resources, burns invested fans and NEVER has the sort of return on deposit that actually thinking things through does. Retcons are generally just as lazy as the Warf-effect used to initially boost Akuma over Bison. They’re both short-sighted and stupid writing techniques.

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Bolded part is completely wrong. His fighting style does not “revolve entirely around his psychokinetic abilities”. It is stated numerous times that he has tremendous physical abilities, especially kicking abilities, which he uses Psycho Power to bolster.

As noted, look at Bison since the beginning: two of his three signature attacks are kicking attacks that do not involve Psycho Power. Yes, Psycho Power is his Ace in the Hole, so to speak, since his strongest techniques utilize it, but he has a strong physical foundation that he has (also) built up through training.

re: martial artist

BTW, as far as I’m concerned and as far as JPN media is concerned, what constitutes the difference between a “martial artist” and a plain “fighter” is training. It seemingly can be any kind of training, even the wrong type of training, but as long as a character is practicing something on a regular basis that they believe will make him/her a better fighter, then that character counts as a martial artist.

Because the type of “training” is so free form, it vastly expands what can count as a “martial artist”. IMO Rose counts as a martial artist, since even if she does 100% psychic exercises and nothing physical, that still counts as “training” for her fighting style. Rufus is also a martial artist, even if a bad one who uses wrong or possible ineffectual training methods. Same with Dan.

In JPN media, “martial artist” is a state of mind (“I want to improve in my chosen art”) and being (“I will practice X techniques to help me improve my chosen art”) - the result of said training is irrelevant. If Dee Jay’s only martial arts training was, say, dancing in clubs with maracas every night, as long as he did so with the purpose of it improving his skills, then it counts as training whether it works or not.

DRW:

Clearly we’re not going to agree on this. I still maintain that the world exhibited by the later SFs are a natural progression of the world shown in SF2 (but not the one in SF1), a.k.a. the only part of SF continuum that counts. For whoever suggested it, I would not agree that KoF handles the progression any better - they’re about the same really. KoF does have better story telling in general though.

re: Bison on podium

Are people forgetting SF2’s roots? A lot of that artwork was done at SF2’s creation, i.e. before it blew up into a mega entity. Regardless of backstory, the original SF2 tournament was just that - a tournament. So there’s no reason why M.Bison, in the beginning before SF2 blew up in popularity, wouldn’t stand on the winner’s podium in second place next to the winner that wasn’t Guile or Chun-li.

re: Muscle Bomber characters

I would love to know the situation on the MB characters myself. They’re referenced quite a lot in SF lore, but are literally never seen outside of the three MB games. I wonder if Tetsuo Hara completely owns the visual rights to the characters or something? Even Strider, only co-owned by Capcom, has more appearances outside of his own game than the MB characters do!

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What’s even more stupid is the fact that Capcom can acknowledge Bison being SGS by Akuma in a crossover game (SFXT) and completely omit this fact in the main game.

Even better, friggin SNK has no problem pinpointing Bison being thrashed by Akuma in *their *own game.

For SF4, all Capcom had to do was add one quote, or one piece of dialogue that showed Akuma thrashed Bison. You have two of the biggest names in SF and there’s not one point where it can made clear to the audience that a battle or attack took place…ever? Come on.

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When in doubt blame the ginger.

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And weightlifters also have tremendous lifting abilities. That doesn’t make them fighters.

As long as Capcom continues to list “Psycho Power” as his fighting style, I’m going to keep treating him as untrained in martial arts. And as long as he remains untrained in martial arts, I’m going to continue to consider him a bad SF character.

Complete horseshit.

By that logic, I could practice shooting people with a sniper rifle on a regular basis and count myself as a martial artist. I do believe it will make me a better fighter after all.

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Guile’s SF2CF entry was a pretty interesting read. I especially like how the Sonic Boom and Flash Kick are described, they seem like some top notch techniques. Go home to be a family man and cue the Guile theme.

Guile
(「 闘い は 30 秒以内 で 決着 を つけろそして 殺られる 前に殺れ 」 その 金髪 の 教官 の 言葉 に 、 兵士 たち の 背筋 は ふるえ た 。そう 、 彼 にとって 闘い は すべて 戦争 な の だ。友 を 失い 、 家族 を 捨て た その とき から ……)

Profile
友 の 復讐 を果 たす ため 、 軍 も 国 も 、 愛する妻 も娘 も 捨て て 、 べガ を 追い続ける男。親友 の 名 は ナッシュ 。 ガイル と 同じ部隊 に 所属 し て い た 彼 は 、 国際犯罪組織 の 謎 を 追う途上 で 凶拳 に 倒れ た。 ガイル の 腕 の 中 で 、 虫の息 の ナッシュ が 最後 に 残し た 手がかり 、 それ が ベガ の 名 だっ た 。 ガイル を 突き動かす の は 、 た だただ 復讐 の 念 、 の はず だっ た 。 彼 が ストリート ファイト に 明け暮れる の は 、 ベガ の 手がかり を 得る ため。 そして いつか ベガ に たたきこむ はず の 一撃 を 、 闘う たび に 磨い て い た の だ。 しかし、 闘う日々 の 中 、 ガイル は 何か自分 の 中 に 充実 する 感情 を 覚える よう に なっ て い た。 軍人 の 血 が そう さ せる の か、 憎しみ の 炎 が そう さ せる の か、 自然 と 拳 に 力 が みなぎる 。 その カ は 、 ガイル 自身 に対する 自信 へ と つながっ て い た。 「 この 闘い が 終われ ば …… 」 いつか 彼 は 懐かしい家 の 扉 を 叩く だろ う。 大きな みやげ物 を 持っ て。

Secret character concept story
「 スト II 」 の アメリカ 市場 を 考 えて 作ら れ た キャラ が ガイル だ。 アメリカ 人 の 標準 プレイ キャラ クター 、 つまり リュウ & ケン の アメリカ 版 として 、 必殺技 も 同種 の もの が 考え られ た 。

Somersault Kick
この 蹴りは 、 ソニックブーム と 同じように的に脚 先が音速 を越えるため 、 衝 撃 波カ生じる 。 この 衝撃波が生じる と ころ に 真空 に 近い空間 が でき 、 その 部分 の 気圧差 により 空中 の 水滴 が 三日月 の 形 に 白く見える よう に なる 。 その ため 、 蹴り脚 だけで なく この 三日月の 部分で も ダ メージ を 与える こと が できる。 強力な蹴り 脚 の 勢いを利用 し 、 その まま宙返りをして しまうため 躰は伸びきること も ない。 しかも その間 、 背中 は 衝撃波 が 守っ て いる という 隙 の な 防 - 体 の 技 で ある 。

Guile as a fighter
格闘家 として 、 驚く ほど スキ が 少ない の が ガイル だ 。 防御体勢 から 繰り出す必殺技 は 、 どんな敵も寄せつけない。 特に対空防御 は 完璧 に 近い。攻撃 に 転じ て も 、 必殺技 を 組 み 込ん だ コンビネーション 攻撃 を 得意 と し 、 相手 を あっ という 間 に 気絶寸前 に 追い込む こと が できる 。 一瞬 の スキ を つかれ て 背中 に 回り込ま れる の が 、 唯一 の 弱点 と いっ て いい だろ う。

Sonic Boom
アメリカ の 空軍 に 所属 する ガイル 少佐 は 、 自身 の 名闘 センス と 、 アメリカ の 科学 スタッフ の 力 によって 、 肉体自体 を 兵と する こと に 成功 し た 。 ガイル の 両 の 腕 は 瞬間的 に 音速 を 越え 、 その 時 に 生じる衝撃波 を 気合い によって コントロール する こと が できる の だ 。 科学 スタッフ にとって 未知 の パワー で ある “気” を 取り入れ た の は 、 ガイル少佐 が リュウ の 波動拳 を 見 た ため と いわれる 。 彼ら が 独自 に “気” を 研究 し た 結果 、 波動拳 と は まったく 違っ た システム の 気合い弾 が でき た。

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So the second tournament never happened and there is only a one SF tournament were Ryu won against Sagat? As the new Capcom updates.

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The tournament most definitely happened. Bison used it to attract the strongest world warriors out there to find a spare body for himself, Cammy, Chun and Guile used the entry to reach Bison and destroy him, and I suppose at the finals - this happened:

I actually think the sole reason why Capcom hasn’t named the concrete winner of the World Warrior tournament is not because they themselves didn’t care or didn’t know - but because the Finals (against Bison) were compromised, by the Heroes, attacking Bison, so technically the tournament itself never actually concluded

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I have the updated SF Encyclopedia. Does anyone know if the text changed from the first version? I know that Akuma and Bison’s meeting wasn’t mentioned anywhere in the new encyclopedia.

His ingame animations denote knowledge of advanced combat. Sure, sometimes he mixes them with his powers (skull diver, knee press, slide,j.hp), but others are universal (block, crlp, mps, smk, jhk).

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So you’re disregarding all his SF2 profile stuff then? Okay.

You’re entitle to your own opinion. You’re not entitled to your own facts. They explicitly state that he’s a martial artist (only now we get info that his Double Knee Press has Muay Thai roots). You can question the likes of Rose if you want, but not M.Bison. As has been stated, his wanting to be the best fighter supersedes his world domination crap!

By JPN media logic, that’s absolutely correct. If you called your fighting style “Sniper Rifle Arts” and practiced it constantly, it would count.

By the way, don’t forget that Nanto Bakusatsu Ken (essentially dymanite throwing) is a thing in Hokuto no Ken (anime-only though). Or hell: Half the shit that passed through Ranma 1/2 (“Martial Arts Rhythmic Gymnastics” and “Martial Arts Cheerleading”, or the styles developed by Genma that basically were meant to break into houses). “Martial Arts” is to Japan as “Mutant powers” is to Marvel Comics.

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Haven’t seen this. Where was it?

Then Japan is wrong.

Wouldn’t be the first time.

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Yes! That’s what I was talking about. Seeing as how Cammy is alive and kicking in SFV, that ending didn’t happen, right?