If someone asked Ono who was the one that destroyed Bison in SF2, I wouldn’t be surprised if he said it was this guy :
Heh, here’s hoping June will settle a lot of questions and be the start of a new improved way of telling the SF story. It’s not gonna be perfect, but I’m clenching and hoping and praying that it’ll be something good. The recent encyclopedia stuff fills me with hope that they’re retooling their story approach.
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He overcharged his Electric toothbrush after the SF2 anime scene. Bison was all
“mwahahaha, those fools believe me to be dead! Now to plan for total victory…but first…oral care is important to evil…almost as important as laughter on Tuesdays! Mwahaha bzzzzsht”
I figured since SFEX series is an alternative side story to SF2 I’d post the bios of the characters that appeared in both EX and SF2 (Ryu, Ken, Chun, Gief, Bison for starters). So since we covered Ryu, Ken, and Bison, here’s their “alternative SF2 side backstory” (from AASFEX).
Ryu
真 の 強 さ を 追い求め 、 放浪 する 男 かい た。 日本 の 山深く 、 拳の修業をつづけていた リュウ は や かて師匠 を 越える体技 を会得した 。 しかし 、 リュウ の 心 の 奥底にはつねに 疑問 が あった。 「 “ 真 の 最強 ” と は 何 な の だろ う ? 自分 に 、 それ を きわめる こと が できる の か ? 」 その後 、 幾多 の 勝利 を 重ね て も 彼 の 心 が 満たさ れる こと なかっ た 。 「俺 より 強い ヤツ に 会い に 行く 」 孤高 の 鍛錬者 リュウ に、安息 の 二文字 は ない 。
Ken
炎 の 闘志 を 持つ男 が い た 。 リュウ の ライバル に し て 親友 で ある ケン 。 アメリカ 修業 を つづける 彼 だっ た が、恋人 の 出現 に いつしか 闘い を 忘れ て い た 。 だが リュウ によって 、 ケン の 闘魂 が 呼び覚まさ れ た 。 真紅 の 獅子 が 再び目覚め 、 研ぎ すまさ れ た 牙 を むく 。 ケン も また 、 己 の 限界 に 挑戦 する 格闘家 な の だ 。
Vega
世界 を 手中 に 治めよ う と もくろむ 魔人 が い た 。 その 男 が “ サイコ パワー ” を 手 に し た とき 世界 の 命運 は 決まっ た 。 秘密結社 シャドルー の 総裁 、 ベガ 。 “ サイコ パワー ” を もっ て 、 邪悪 に 満ち た 理想郷 を 築き あげよ う と する 。 「 悪 こそ が 絶対 ! さあ 、 我が もと へ くる が よい …… 私 とともに 、 新た なる 世界 を ! 」 彼 の 眼前 に 、 生きとし生けるすべて の 者がひれふす日は近い …… 。
Yeah, if nobody has anything worthwhile to say, better to fill that void with 2 more pages repeating the same things about whether Akuma killed Bison or not than to have to be alone with your thoughts for more than 2 seconds…
bak, you still plan on translating the EX bios from the AAC Encyclopedia sometime in the future, right?
It’d be nice to see how they differentiate between one another, or if they give us a better understanding of the story as a whole. The AASFEX covers the first game or both?
Actually, count me as someone else who doesn’t know if Akuma ever met Gill or not. The only “interaction” they’ve had was Akuma doing a sneak SGS, but we saw how that turned out when he did it to Bison. Honestly, I don’t think that event is canon.
Also, has enough happened with Q for him to even be canon? He has no rival, only appears as a secret boss, and has never been referenced in any way outside of Third Strike.
Seems like what Bison really needs is Gill’s or Urien’s body.
From CF I just have Vega/Bison and Ryu’s profile. Sorry. I’ll post Ryu’s ASAP.
I do have mostly Vega and Rose stuff. I already posted it in the old thread that was wiped out. I’ll post it again.
Thanks for everything @bakfromon!
@bakfromon, what the word in orange above the sub means?
Cammy’s inhuman part was established since SSF2 according to her Gamest account. There it was said that she could heal a bone fracture in a matter of 3 days… Also, the british intelligence acknoledges that Shadoloo once posed a thread… but now (1993 time), it’s just a “puny” organization.
Zero 1 story mentions that Vega and Rose have the same power. It’s even mentioned in his ending that now, he’s the only one who could pass (teach) Psycho Power along. I also don’t know if the same soul thing was thought since the beginning, but the weirdness started in 1997 with SF3 (Necro, Gill and to some extent, Oro. Later, Urien was added.).
Also, SF2 Vega was stated to be an admired fighter even shrouded in mystery. Very few knew who he truly was (leader of an criminal organization)…
About the Vega/Bison VS Gouki/Akuma
While Capcom never really said what was retconned or not, I still say it’s a safe bet that Gouki SGS Vega happened. Ikeno mentioned in the SFIV/SSFIV that Vega’s alternate costume (the one where he is all thrashed) was based off when Vega was defeated by Gouki.
If you think about it… It DOES fit the storyline.
In fact, you could have FOUR scenarios:
1: After Cammy, Guile and Hawk’s ending happened… Vega was SGS by Gouki and his body became flaming powder. His soul went to Seth 13 and then to his SF4 body. That would also explain why Seth was shut down by Vega’s power (however, in the original arcade ending, I’m pretty sure Vega was facing Abel in person instead of an “hologram”).
2: After Hawk and Cammy’s ending, Vega was SGS before the SF2 final and, severely bruised and in a weakened body, is found by Guile (this is based off in Guile’s SSF2X japanese version after Guile defeats Gouki and grabs Vega by his gut, the japanese text his somewhat different), Guile’s family appears and tell him to not kill Vega. Vega retreats to his base. Guile, Chun-Li (after destroying Shadoloo… or most of it) and Cammy tracks his location and goes after him with Ryu and Ken (in fact, the trailer portrays it just like the SF Cartoon Code of Honor, where Guile is the leader). Vega escapes and commits suicide (either that or Zangief and Mika have something to do with the explosion). His soul goes to Seth 13 and then to his SF4 body…
3: Same as 2 but with an undeclared SF2 winner. (while DRW will rush and say that it was Ryu, there’s still no official winner declared by Capcom)
4: Same as 2 but without an SF2 final and no winner. In 3 and 4 scenarios, Hawk, Cammy and Guile’s ending DOES happen, but without Gouki intervention.
Thing is… The suicide explosion isn’t mentioned ANYWHERE in SFIV and USFIV. And I highly doubt that it will be mentioned in Guile’s story mode in SFV (just like it wasn’t in Ryu, Ken, Cammy and Chun-Li’s story mode). My bet is that Guile will face Chun-Li and Nash in a flashback and “Zombie” Nash at present time…
The Vital Box is part of the SFV: Volcanic Edition released in japan (e-capcom if I’m not mistaken). It comes with some interesting stuff like the SFV Visionary Book, 3 extra covers (one with Nash, one with the Dolls and one with Mika’s friends), a DVD with a Shadoloo soldier explaining the game’s mechanics, character’s moveset cards… I think I’m not missing anything.
Except the notes for that alternate specifically state that Vega is totally unharmed as part of the design. A sneak-attack SGS that murders him isn’t likely (IE: it’s impossible) to leave him totally unharmed but with battered clothing.
Akuma was designed as a super-boss to eclipse Bison…
Akuma, because of the games he was prominent in (Alpha) and his lack of pop relevance (thanks Raul Julia & SFII the animated movie), failed to actually eclipse Bison.
So, where-as before it was logical to have Akuma pulverize Bison to create a Warf effect to hype Akuma, that train has long since left the station and Bison, once again, stands supreme as the bad-ass villain of Street Fighter…so having him be a weak afterthought in comparison to the MUCH less plot & pop relevant Akuma doesn’t make sense any longer.
And yes, Bison exploding wasn’t mentioned anywhere else in SF4…know what else isn’t? Bison & Akuma meeting. In fact, the opposite is shown when they interact…their quotes all point to any match between them being a first encounter.
Yea I was just wondering if you could still compile an album of the SFEX characters from the AAC book just to make it easier so I wont have to sift through the thread for loose posts.
I’m assuming AASFEX just cover SFEX, so pretty much after that I still need the EX plus and EX2 characters. I’m actually expecting AASFEX to tell us more about each character from a plot perspective than AAC will about each individual character from that specific game, although the “plot” for returning characters is more or less their back stories from SF2.
To make things a bit quicker I’ve decided to tack on the EX profiles to the SF2CF entries for the characters involved in EX (just Gief, Chun, Guile, and Akuma left for now). Then afterwards the remaining canon cast of SFEX series (Sim, Blanka, Sagat, Sakura), then actual EX exclusive characters.
@“Lord Vega” The orange text just mentions that the tiny ring section in the middle of the schematic would have been the “battle area”.
Thanks, bak.
Here’s the album with the EX/EX2 characters: http://imgur.com/a/dGBrM
Should be all of them. Let me know if anything else needs to be added.
Capcom created an anime sequence that clearly shows what happened at the end of SF2. Therefore, they stated it. I merely repeat what’s in this anime.
I don’t get why you still deny this. Capcom has shown clearly enough that they don’t care to keep a continuity with the old games anymore.
The best proof is Charlie:
In SFA2, he was killed, but in SFA3 he was there. Which means his SFA2 ending never happened. Then in Guile’s SFA3 ending, he was killed as well, making this his canon death scene.
But now in SF4 and SF5, they established that his SFA2 ending is his canon death scene.
So, they completely obliterated basic things of SFA3 from canon. Not only what-if ending scenes. Basic stuff, like Charlie being a selectable character who still works for the Air Force and who goes on a mission with Chun Li and with Guile. This simply doesn’t count anymore. I.e. SFA3 isn’t canon in its entirety anymore.
So, why is it so hard to believe that they also removed a bunch of the SF2 stuff?
Especially when they have a promotional anime, drawn in the same style as the in-game cutscenes, that shows exactly what happens?
So, do you think the anime is non-canon now, but this one-liner in an English manual is the canon representation of the plot?
Ryu was already posted.
This doesn’t imply her being artificial. Didn’t they also establish that Zangief’s “muscles of steel” could literally deflect bullets?
As long as that costume doesn’t actually appear in story mode, this has no meaning since it could be just an homage. For example, Evil Ryu has the hole in his chest that he got in the “Ryu Final” manga, even though this didn’t happen in the official canon. So, a costume can only indicate stuff if it appears in the story.
Of course, one can always make up stuff to fit stories together. But do you really think this was the intention of the creators here? Do you really think that they created that trailer with the intention that Bison has just been attacked by Akuma? I find this very unlikely.
In the new canon, there is no winner, sure. For the old canon (or rather: the very old, pre-Akuma canon), Capcom confirmed that it was Ryu. Shall I present the proof one more time?
Akuma attacking Bison isn’t mentioned either. So, what does that prove?
That’s how i see it
Capcom TRIED to sell Akuma as the new big bad guy, but they quickly realized that ginger demon have nowhere near Bison charisma as main villain… in FGs Geese take the #2 and i’ve no idea who is the 3rd, but is waaay under them
I don’t know if canon or not, but that’s the whole sneak attack thing: they found a way to keep Bison legacy, but don’t deny what happened
If really now they want pretend is’nt happened i don’t know why, if anything that part of the story with Akuma suckerpunching him with his strongest technique and still unable to kill him definitively (on contrary he returned stronger) just make sound Bison more badass
The “undefeated” aura is’nt something that Bison need as character development, as Capcom ever been clear that he still have to reach his full potential
How is that a bargain? And why would he say he wants her dead and then a bargain could be made in the same sentence? I mean, it would make sense if Decapre was doing something out of the ordinary to surprise Bison, but she’s just lying there. My question still holds, what is the bargain if not Decapre AND Cammy going with Bison as shown in the end?
Bak, what is the full name of these books and encyclopedias you guys are providing the bios from? Are they not available in English in any shape or form?
So do you believe guys that their is really a second tournament? or Just a there is one tournament?
I kinda thought that if it just what if event that akuma interferance on the Sf2 Finals
That would be interesting having Gill’s body… that would be so powerful indeed
I think its okay since we Got still the iconic Urien to continue and claim Gill’s legacy in the SF franchise
The scans that @“Doctrine Dark” are providing are from All About Capcom 1987- 2000.
The scans @Eternal provided were pulled from All About Street Fighter Zero 3.
I provided the scans from ** All About Street Fighter EX**, originally posted by @Sano on the Warriors Fate thread. These were never translated directly by anyone on the site to my knowledge.
Last but not least @DRW provided the scans from the Street Fighter 2 Complete File.
Usually I just shorten the names into acronyms.
None of these books are available in English, and although a lot of the general info may have been covered in some way shape or form, a majority of the information has either been lost to memory or yet to be uncovered (in English).
What about the Capcom 30th Anniversary Encyclopedia published by Brady Games? Is it of any use for canonical material?