@bakfromon Those win quotes read like bad fan fiction.
Just be glad they didnât include the quote where Bison implies he fights babies
âThere are babies tougher than you! Those without power are disgusting to see!!â
Problem is this kind of logic is flawed, as you see you end up fill the -sometime real sometime supposed- holes with personal tastes take on this or that
Itâs not about take it as gospel, as you seen i may straight disagree with how ASF handled some/many things, but i will find bizzarre ignore stuff thrown at our face to create the space where insert what i will have liked
It may be bad or poor, but itâs canon and pretty much tight and not open for interpretation for most part
Example the poor treatment of some characters is not âholesâ, but more how they chosen to handle it⌠to pick the 3 you said
-Guile was truly treated as a crap eater, mostly because they wanted give Karin (and her wierdo fanbase) a fuckton of undeserved spotlight.
She end up leading and coordinating a fucking militar operaction, with Guile being her chopter pilot LOL.
Ideally she should have been the $$$/tech patron of the thing, with Guile as the obvious commander-in-chief due role, experience, age etc, with Chun as his second in command.
But again itâs not an âholeâ, was more a bad taste or crap-marketing approach, wich doesânt stop it from be how canon story has gone.
He being one of the 3 leaving the building at the end without have done a fat fucking nothing was that kind of hilarious sad âi won too!â moment lol
-Chun wasânt treated as bad as most seem to think.
At the end she got the opportunity to decisively kick one of big baddies ass (a ShadaKing), and save the little girl and showing a âmaternal sideâ vibe that was evidently what they wanted present of her in ASF.
Then you got peoples mental fanfictions about her defeating Bison, but donât make me go Trump shitlikethisiswhyiwon.jpeg =)
-Necalli if we stick to ASF events has not been portraied wrong, more they have been naive at -with him being NEW- not give him some violent fights here and there to estabilish his place on food chain.
But again, sticking with ASF events, he defeated startgame-Ryu and left once he realized he canât eat Ryu/Sim at the same time.
Then he challenge (too soon, as prophecy say Ryu was first, then Sim and only as third Bison) Bison get his shit kicked but he stand up immortal badass style, and at this point Fang attack him. He realize he will not beat Bison(+Fang) in his current state and leave
Then like a rabid werewolf on cocaine he chase a group of 46 Street Fighters + 2 NPC (who are good fighters too lol) but everybody fly away
Then he finally have his fight 1v1 with Ryu and lose, but lose to the same Power-up-Ryu that soon after smoke Bison too.
He got a super crap unlucky-week arc from his point of view and seem a big brainless douche (wich actually he is) at pick his fights, but watching facts he never seem âweakâ.
Fun thing is if we want take âthe prophecyâ for good, he has been unlucky af at find Ryu/Sim in the same place, because if he found alone and eated Ryu then will have eated Sim and at that point likely Bison too lol
Actually of the 3 itâs the only that got a ânarrative errorâ imho, but not in ASF, in the Character Story where he get defeated by Rog⌠in theory i think food-wise Rog should have been easily in his range, specially SFV Rog
Gotta love how out of character the SFII quotes were, you can tell characterization still had a lot of way to go.
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I would love that Capcom had emphasized that⌠but no they didnât.
Yeah, I see what youâre saying.
Thereâs definitely an impossibly thin line between trying to read through bad writing to get the authorâs actual intent and just making stuff up.
And I guess thatâs why I donât write plot guides. And if I did Iâd make sure to rein in this tendency of mine.
We saw what Nash did to Guileâs Sonic Boom. We saw what he did to Abel, he absorbed his Psycho Power. Nash has a special move where he absorbs opponentâs meter. That was his gimmick from the get go. He was built to absorb energy.
Capcom made it quite clear that this is what Nash can do now. The fact that Ryu was able to beat Bison is proof that Nash affected Bison enough at least to ensure victory. In other words, if Nashâs last play didnât work, then Ryu would not have won.
You not being able to comprehend Capcomâs intent after all this is on you, not them.
A few more quotes here, some old some brand new:
Akuma: âMy fists are forged in the flames of murder!â
Cammy: âyour missing teeth will remind you of my victory!â
"Looks like I need to update your dossier⌠from âfighterâ to âloserâ!
Dee Jay: âWere my killer combos too much for you mon!?â
âIf you canât take the beat, get off the dance floor!â
âWhat you sleepinâ there for? Me waitinâ for round two!â
Guile: âThere is no place for emotion in battle. So dry your tears and leave!â
Ken: All right! Iâve got that burning feeling in my fists again!
âAttack me if you dare, I will crush you!â
âGet up! Itâs too early to be defeated!â
Ryu - âThis was a battle of spirits, not fists. Search your soul is you want to beat me!â
âIf you want to be a true fighter⌠go and train!â
âI know you can do better! Get up and try again!â
Sagat âYou are not a warrior, you are a beginner!â
T. Hawk: âI have already lost everything, so I have nothing left to fear!â
Vega: âDid you see how elegant I looked as I snactched the hope from your soul?â
Life = Given.
Bison should have at least looked somewhat scathed after Nashâs explosion (if it wasnât for some people who think Bisonâs clothes should have shredded and he left in his âdestroyed Battle Outfitâ costume.
But Bison looked to be left entirely unscathed after the attack.
Rather poor storytelling. The logics is correct, but viewers are still left to assume a lot if they want to give it importance.
Nonetheless, Nashâs final sacrifice attack should have been acknowledge and honored at least as a part of the story⌠but no one seemed to care at all about it.
Again, poor storytelling, with a simple detail they could have given more importance to Nash and instead was treated he as a throwaway loser.
Agreed. Poor storytelling and the bad cosmetics didnât help either. We have to do A LOT OF assuming if we want to get the idea that Nash did something in SFV. And you know how that works; you can always turn out to be wrong in the end.
I actually agree with the idea that Nashâs attack helped to defeat Bison⌠but if we want to see it in a different way, maybe Nashâs attack was simply not strong enough and it was completely reversed towards him meaning his destruction, with Bison being unscathed by the attack.
I still think the idea of Capcom was that Nashâs attack was important⌠but the storytelling leaves everything to the viewerâs assumption and itâs easier to assume it the other way.
The thing is, if Capcom really meant that, the scene should have been directed in a way it was indisputable that Nashâs attack harmed Bison. The scene didnât give us any of that. They just dropped the ball big. If they only retcon/tweak the scene for the next update, or at least acknowledge it by mention, Nashâs memory would be actually honored.
Looking at ASF again, I really liked these moments:
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Despite all of the inner demons Ryu was battling, along with Necalli trying to gobble him, he still showed up ready to fight alongside Guile and Chun-Li. Seeing them all get into a fighting stanceâŚthat was pretty nice, albeit short. Part of the reason why I enjoyed it is because I like the idea of them needing to work together to deal with Bison. I know Ryu had gotten much more powerful, but Bison has been shown to be a team-buster. It took everything they had to take on Bison in SF2 AftermathâŚand even that wasnât enough to stop him. A significantly more powerful Bison needing to be challenged by an entire team only seems right.
Also:
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Nashâs Sonic Move was ridiculously cool to see in a cutscene.
I always seem to find little moments I enjoy every time I look at ASF again.
ASF may not have overall been as good as say Injustice 2âs story mode, but in terms of frequency of amazing cinematic shots and moments it wipes the floor clean with the competition. I say that with full confidence.
I always think the ASF story mode was intended to be longer chapter by chapter thing but it was rushed and trimmed to cover up the demands of an arcade mode. It should have been better.
The thing the stitch is like Dark Stalker and Power Stone not the like of SFAlpha, SF3 and SFâs Secret Society like Necro, Gill, Twelve and Eleven.
Those were how the world of street fighter known Secret Society to be functional from Necro, Gill and Twelve.
Unless it was intended to be like that to regret and be easily submissive
Nash stitches should be more like
The exaggeration is still there but fits complete with the cast without looking like a crossover character.
Itâs like Birdieâs Huge Doughnut in victories⌠this is another of those trying hard exaggeration that went out of proportion. We can compare it with any idea of fictional references we knew ever existed and relative from comics, cartoons and anime to justify the means or what it is trying to convey but it isnât worldly to itâs fictional reality and does not compromised to the standards of functionality on itâs fictional reality.
There are level of exaggeration and style the stitches looks like a Power Stone and Dark Stalker interpretation not a SF3âs Secret Society.
Agree what it really does. The Guile should have been a key figure in Bison fight while Ryu could be just the finisher they could even add DhalsimâŚ
The thing is everything that we have been knew about Guile way back from Sf2 and Alpha, that he is about Nash since the first we have known Guile in the beginning and everything that we known Bison is about Chun li and Guile the whole time along.
The Chun li part is what it would really goes because of Li Fen and it needs to be like that after beating Fang. But everything that is Guile and Nash is underwhelming and failure the same with Abel.
Honestly as a Ryu fan wouldnât mind Guile beating Bison and it doesnât matter if it was Ryu delivering the final blow or not. The battle should have been more of a combined efforts not a staged set for a one on one and Iâll take my turn after you thing.
The only thing kinda acceptable was Necali like I always believe is just a filler character and a substitution for very minor role as a plot device that just him unlike FANG that have huge possibilities and has more flexibility beyond SFV.
They can even pull of the âlast man standingâ thing that is Ryu among the rest to be beaten down to give the final blow and do the conversation stuff with Bison before becoming ashes.
KEN, GET YOUR FUCKING HAND OUT OF THERE, YOU ONLY APPEARED WHEN JUMPING OUT OF THE CHOPPER AND AFTER RYU BEAT BISON
Ken is totally the mother-fucker that stands at the edge of a rumble and then afterwards runs in and claps people on the back and is like âOh shit that was crazy! We beat their asses!â when his pussy ass didnât even throw a punch.
Gotta admit that handshake moment was kinda cute. And damn, Ryuâs stare is pretty intense. He almost looks like heâs eyefucking Karin at the end lol