The HoN/DoTA Thread

[DaDesiCanadian]

Warlock is a gabarge hero. . .

Uhh, what?

[KrassHole]

yes because never having to buy healing with a single mana regen item, and having an aoe stun that doubles as a pushing ability with a way to double damage done by AoE attacks in a hero battle is useless.

warlock is an amazing hero but his ability really diminishes in smaller fights or against hardcore ganking heroes, he’s still outshined by viper etc as a singular carry hero but if you have something like ES Sandking Enigma Leshrac he’s probably the best 5th you could have, he’s still used in high level games even though he’s probably one of the worst of the best carries.

Viper outshines ANY HERO in a lane match up.

Warlock is crap late game. His infernals die instantly to purge, they cant stand up to more than a hero at a time, and the stun they deliver sucks. Heros get hit by the ult, 1 hit from the infernal and theyre on the run. His healing thing is the only thing hes got going for him and its been nerfed to shit ever since he was created.

Warlock may own people who suck at dota, but anyone with half a brain is gonna get at him no problem.

[Henaki]

Viper outshines ANY HERO in a lane match up.

Warlock is crap late game. His infernals die instantly to purge, they cant stand up to more than a hero at a time, and the stun they deliver sucks. Heros get hit by the ult, 1 hit from the infernal and theyre on the run. His healing thing is the only thing hes got going for him and its been nerfed to shit ever since he was created.

Warlock may own people who suck at dota, but anyone with half a brain is gonna get at him no problem.

oh right thats why MYM and sP don’t use him at all.

[DaDesiCanadian]

oh right thats why MYM and sP don’t use him at all.

Oh yeah definitely. And every team tries to stretch it out to late game, they definitely don’t try and finish it early. And the stun is definitely not used as an initiation, since Warlock always lands the stun when he’s completely alone, with no other stuns or slows on his team nearby. And yeah, every hero has purge, or wants to spend money on a diffusal. GOD WHY IS WARLOCK SO TERRIBLE. WHY ISN’T HE USED IN LEAGUE AND CLAN PLAY?

Oh wait.

[Vejita_x]

if someone gets a desolator and sny

which orb overrides which?

or does deso stay dominant until maim is triggered?

[DaDesiCanadian]

if someone gets a desolator and sny

which orb overrides which?

or does deso stay dominant until maim is triggered?

Depends on item position. Put deso in the top left slot if you want deso instead of maim. If the s&y is in the top left, you’ll get maim… except if you’re hitting a tower, when the deso animation happens. Weird.

[YellowS4]

Orb walkin!

[Richter85]

why are so many people giving props to warlock? There’s way better heroes that outshine this sucker.

Refresher orb is very expensive. The only positive trait is a double stun and double inferno. By the time you get a refresher, you’ll probably get owned by other players who got better items. Warlock don’t get kills (no gold), he merely farms. That is the fate of a support hero.

Skadi is same story. Desolator with him is 'meh.

Back to the point though, other better heroes as previously mentioned.

[RickJames]

I dont think they mean to say Warlock is the best hero, but more defending him from the people who say that he sucks.

[DaDesiCanadian]

why are so many people giving props to warlock? There’s way better heroes that outshine this sucker.

Refresher orb is very expensive. The only positive trait is a double stun and double inferno. By the time you get a refresher, you’ll probably get owned by other players who got better items. Warlock don’t get kills (no gold), he merely farms. That is the fate of a support hero.

Skadi is same story. Desolator with him is 'meh.

Back to the point though, other better heroes as previously mentioned.

Umm…the item you want to aim for Warlock is a necrobook. Warlock is good because he’s really hard to lane against, mainly because of shadow word. Cheap heal + cheap nuke. And Infernals are very hard to defend against in pushes, unless you want to waste money on a diffusal blade.

Yeah, we’re not saying he’s better than Viper, but he’s still a viable alternative.

[asianhitler]

oh right thats why MYM and sP don’t use him at all.

Who are those guys? Where can I find vids?

[DaDesiCanadian]

http://www.dota-allstars.com

Goto the forums, then the replay section. There’s plenty.

[BiggSexxx]

warlock has one of the best attack animations in the game! i’d solo lock no prob against most heros except maybe viper.

[KrassHole]

warlock has one of the best attack animations in the game! i’d solo lock no prob against most heros except maybe viper.

uhh his attack is so slow.

Sniper has the best attack in the game.

[RisingStars]

By attack animation, i think he means the speed of which the hero fires the projectile, not the speed of the projectile. There’s a whole thread on this in the dota forums, and to the best of my knowledge, potm currently has the best attack animation of like .6 or something.

[KrassHole]

By attack animation, i think he means the speed of which the hero fires the projectile, not the speed of the projectile. There’s a whole thread on this in the dota forums, and to the best of my knowledge, potm currently has the best attack animation of like .6 or something.

Whatever he means, warlock isnt even close.

And sniper is the best, then Potm.

[DaDesiCanadian]

Snipers attack is instant. He doesn’t even have a projectile.

What does “best attack animatino of .6” mean? There’s a whole ton of stuff regarding projectiles, one number really doesn’t mean anything. There’s a whole bunch of stuff, like backswing, cast point etc.

As for pure base attack speed, it’s Syllabear’s Bear, then Alchemist level 3 ulti, then Anti-Mage.

[BloodyStag]

I don’t like warlock. He’s a good hero but he’s way too limited. Just about how many spells of warlock are you using late game? one or two, and you know he’s n ot doing DPS. his infernal is good for stun, but is also food. Major leagues use him, but then again, he’s not often banned from games. remember Bristle two vers ago? Him and Merc always got banned, ALWAYS. warlock was on occassion, if the team had a set hero combo that didn’t want to waste orbs on diffusal. Viper is great for lanes, downright godly, and has potential to carry late, but warlock? Only in TDA

[Henaki]

The primary strength of Warlock is he is near impossible to shut down early game and mid game Bonds and Infernal will end a team battle. While he’s not a very good hero in his own right he’s so incredibly powerful in turning the tides of 2 battles you’ll probably win the game off them.

Of course the game is changing to a more gank oriented play style so he’s kind of seeing less use now.

[DaDesiCanadian]

warlock was on occassion, if the team had a set hero combo that didn’t want to waste orbs on diffusal. Viper is great for lanes, downright godly, and has potential to carry late, but warlock? Only in TDA

You’re dumb. Warlock is still used in tourneys all over the place. And if it’s -xl, obviously viper’s gonna be removed. TDA is actually where i’ve seen Warlock the least.

Viper also loses effectiveness fast. He’s a godly laner, but once it hits late game, he just becomes average. That’s why a lot of teams are using Nevermore now. AOE ulti, great laner, great dps late.