Oh thank you so much, I got it to work by just mashing down and all kicks as I’m about to hit the floor. Not pretty but it will do for now.
Another question, I’m running into a lot of sakuras and pretty much all of them do light hurricane kick spam on me during tick throw setups and on my wakeup. How do I stop that nonsense? Everytime I press a button, I get frame trapped.
So, as it turns out, you can lk dive over Vega and Cammy’s heads, if you do it right. In fact, you can jump over and do an OS lk oil dive with a crouch tech and a moment of defense. If they do nothing, you dive over their heads. If they attack, you block. If they throw, you tech. If they back dash, you punish. If they neutral jump, you dive under them. What was kinda funny was that with that delay on the lk oil dive, if Vega does a wake up wall dive toward your back, he gets punished with an auto-adjusted lk dive. I don’t know that I’ll ever get that in, but it’s cool!
test against cammy how safe hakan is from her ultra. off the top of my head, her ultra and abel’s can punish ridic stuff(and chun’s super, now that I think of it)
that is, when diving under*
He does anybody use f.lp for timing for a crossup setup after slide? Only works oiled but I can get it about 80% of the time I find this to be the easiest one for me. Just figured this one out today.
Edit: this one is character specific. Learned it first on oni, can’t quite get it on sagat…
Does anyone have a reliable crossup setup on sagat? 
It’s impossible to cross him up. Best you can do is cause uppercut to whiff.
Yeah, and even that, from experience is tricky. =/ Hate sagat…haha.
Here’s a trick against Sagat: Slide/press, jump, lk dive is uncrouchable, if you do it perfectly. Not sure if that’s a good launching point for offense, but it’ll beat throws, tiger knees and jumping. Mix that with some sort of tiger uppercut bait, I guess, and see what happens.
can you be more specific, which direction to jump? is it just a neutral jump up then lk dive right away?
Yeah. You have to stay in front of him in order for it to be uncrouchable. N.jump is the way to go. Did I mention it beats EX knee? Good thing his back dash is garbage and his uppercut has such slow recovery.
aah coolie woolie! had a chance to test in an endless but a less experienced sagat though, it worked.
So I usually use Liquigen’s whiff mp -> HP slide and the bait version is whiff mp, c.Hp
Back dash slide lp (was that swoop’s tip?) bait version is back dash c.hp
Coupled with back dash, do nothing. And whiff mp (and c.mp) jump across (although unsafe) but he’s too terrified already expecting whats coming next and couldn’t respond accordingly.
Now if only there is a safer set up for post oil dive, neutral jump then slide (of certain strength) to make a safe on block slide or bare recovery frame that’ll enhance even more the possibility of only using whiff lp, jump over, mk dive for uncrouchable.
Man, I hate how bad I am with Hakan sometimes. I don’t understand how to face people who just block the whole time. Oil Dive just doesn’t have the coverage that I need with a good grab.
The only thing I feel I’m good with Hakan is wakeup game on the enemy. Mindgaming whether I’ll use another Slide, do an Oil Rocket, do Combination Hold, or simply block in case the enemy has a good wakeup option. But it’s simple and requires getting a knockdown first. I get bodied so hard with him with anyone who is good at defense and doesn’t jump in without a plan.
Actually, my biggest issue with Hakan is doing Oil Rocket instead of Oil Slide. It has cost me countless matches, and I wish I could get my Zangief to standing SPD like I do with Hakan. Does anyone else have that problem?
Never underestimate the importance of just approaching in, stay put outside normal throw range and crouching down, and throwing in some jabs as they stand up. Though they may block this is already a form of pressure. Don’t gamble with doing meaty yet just approach and squat down to build up your confidence in poking, a human player won’t be reckless enough if you crouch beyond their grab range they wont throw out random SRK. Though they may try to poke you back, but hakan has some incredible reach at his disposal. His c.mp is great and his c.HK has long active frame to have a locking feel of a dangerous hitbox in front of them in case they try to do anything it’ll hit them.
Also a lot of people don’t use c. Hp that often because it is slow, but believe me, when some pokes are thrown and some range exist between that blockin’ opponent & you don’t be afraid to throw in c.hp. If they are scared or reckless they’ll try jumping in at you that’s where c.hp will take you to safe spot. And if it’s blocked the move will push you away much safer than random slides. I learn this from fighting dee jay and guile since they crouch down back to charge move i play turtle game too and throw in c.hp at random times and often it goes under their jumps it messes with their heads.
As for execution I don’t know if you play with stick or pad. But if you do SPD all the time it means your motion is too uhmm… excessive. I think starting the rotation from down and not back is the key to doing slide. I do have problem with SPD still, my weakness is that sometimes I do the motion too fast it goes 4 1 2 3 9 (in keyboard numerical pad direction).
I’ve been trying to OS U2 on sagat after slide, but SRK beats it out every time even when I think I safe jumped correctly. Is it even possible?
you mean OSing it by doing meaty slide right? I think it gets beaten by SRK I’m not sure if all ver. of his tiger uppercut always beats slide of all str & kind but from my exp I don’t do meaty slide on ken, ryu, or anyone whos got SRK like move it will get hit unless of course you’ve shaken them up a bit and lay out your variety of tricks they dont know what to expect XD
and if you recover from slide early… well… means it’s not OS
oops sorry, i mean after a slide, and going for a meaty j.hk (after slight backstep) on wakeup, and then OS U2.
I don’t know if my timing is off, but SRK always hits me.
Don’t do a slight backstep. Do a s.mp for timing instead of a step back.
you mean a cr.mp? s.mp doesn’t work, srk will hit if i do that. But has anyone OS U2 sagat on his wakeup? That is what I’m trying to do right now in training mode, but can’t get it to work.
ya cr mp will get hit still. I dunno what move to whiff to get a safe attempt. I think cr mp only gives you a better chance to get a timing + positioning for a cross up but still unsafe regardless.
C.mp will cause him to whiff, if you do the j.hk early enough. It takes a certain timing. Unfortunately, even if you do your fastest move, upon landing, Sagat has a chance to interrupt the block string with uppercut. Of course, you could just do a slightly delayed crouch tech in that situation. Personally, I mix in a few things, e.g. go for oil dives, dive feints and jump ins (which trade with uppercuts and will cause EX uppercut to whiff from the right distance).
After doing some reading up and analyzing what caused my SPD, I’ve learned so much about Hakan. For starters, I was doing the SPD because I was accidentally doing Tiger Knee input, so 4 1 2 3 6 9. Didn’t realize that was a faster way to SPD than doing full circle, so I’ve started using that intentionally with both the rocket and dive. Which…has already made me far better off. Dive answered my main question, of what to do with blockers when I can’t quite get in but am in range for dive.
Also, been really focusing on using normals and such, as well as being patient and focusing on oiling up. Far easier to win when I’m slick as a greased up deaf guy.