War lost to Gief not because he sucks, but because it’s a horrible match for Guile, and that Gouken was a goddamn scrub doing random ULTRA(s). War did pretty damn good.
The flack War was getting on ustream chat was uncalled for as well, bunch of retards. “LOL THIS IS THE GUY WHO BEAT ED MA?”, and so on…
Ed Ma is overrated, I don’t get why he’s so praised.
Gief isn’t a terrible match for Guile. I don’t know what the ‘official’ tier list says but the match can’t be worse than 5:5. War lost that match to Gief because he was throwing booms too close and getting cornered too early. IIRC he tried to cross up jumping lk on Gief’s wakeup like 2-3 times which is just free damage/setup for Gief.
Ed Ma isn’t overrated either.
Anyways, congrats to Warahk for making it as far as he did.
What can Guile do at wake up against Gief? Nothing. Wishing Gief would fuck up his j,lk cross up. The booms also do little damage. Watching Itabashi vs Yoshiwo lol, that was a slaughter. You can’t even cross up Gief without getting lariated as well.
yeah, he is.
Gief is a horrible matchup for guile because of the same things we’ve been harping about since the game’s release. Guile does low damage and he has trouble dealing with crossups.
Guile vs Gief is even. Gief has trouble getting in on Guile. Guile can also bait all of Giefs green hands and punish accordingly. When Gief gets in, then it becomes hard for for Guile to get out. like most of Gief’s matchups, typically one knock down will end it. Even is the Gief vs Sagat matchup that’s the case. It’s not too bad, but you need good patience to make that matchup even.
He went for jump roundhouse combo because it results in a knockdown. Possibly allow Gule to close distance, mixup, or even bait a wakeup DP.
He could have punished better with a jumpin into medium pucn xx flaskkick, but he seemed less confident doing it for whatever reason. Overall, Die took advantage of a core weakness of LI Joe Sagat, his terrible zoning abilties. LI Joe is known not to zone much at all with Sagat, and Die’s zoning was more on point.
I did get infuriated because of all of thos psychich jumpins Joe got a way with. Joe also had a subpar ground game as well. To me there is no reason Sagat should have won in the manner he did. In theend Die really wasn’t checking Sagat enough and that cost him.
I think Die choked though. Joe has far more experience in grandfinal matches. Die need to work on a few more things, but he already has patience, footsies, zoning, and defense. His execution just needs to come up and he’d be even more of a beast.
cr.mp - FK leads to the same outcome (knockdown), but with more damage. I’m not saying Die is bad, I’m just saying that this is such an essential Guile combo that is brain dead easy that I can’t believe his fundamentals and zoning took him that far in the tournament.
To everyone who says Zangief vs. Guile is an even match, you’re right to an extent. If you consider that Guile has all the tools to keep Zangief out the whole fight but if Zangief gets in (and he’s good, doesn’t fuck up, and you guess wrong) and Guile’s dead, then yes, it’s even.
I disagree that that situation should be called “even.” Where it’s not 2 players evenly trading blows, but one player just barely holding back Armageddon for 99 seconds.
I missed most of the stream, but I caught 5 minutes this afternoon when players were warming up and the top 4 tonight. During warmups, it was Ed Ma versus Marn I think and people were talking mad shit about him losing to Guile. Its a shame people think Warahk is a noob but internet people are stupid in general so I hope he doesn’t let it get to him. Any Guile who can beat a good Akuma is no noob, any Guile who can beat Ed Ma’s Akuma is definitely not a noob. What was funny was after Ed Ma, Combofiend warmed up as Akuma versus a Gief player and people kept asking why he wasn’t playing Viper in this tournament. Someone then replied that Dagger G’s Guile made him give up Viper and I lol’ed.
I saw that too. I love it.:lovin:
Although I agree with you that Guile has the toolset to keep Gief out, I don’t think a match up is even if one side is only allowed to mess up once. We’re all human, its impossible to play mistake free, whether its execution, bad guess, etc, it’s only a matter of time before a mistake occurs. If one mistake costs you the match but your opponent is allowed to mess up 5+ times, I think the matchup would be in the op’s favor. I feel the same about Abel’s matchup to a lesser extent. When I’m on my feet, I feel good about the match, but once they score a single knockdown, I know the match has now swung in the op’s favor.
I really don’t care what those youtube fags say about me. I highly fucking doubt many people on stream would be able to win a set against ed with guile. 4/4 rounds. I am obviously not at ed ma’s level, and ed is an amazing player; in my opinion I won because ed was being a bit impatient.
I don’t think there was any video but i beat ed with nothing but jab boom, ex boom, anti airs and occasional get off me normals. I still think the best way to play that match is through the fireball war which I have argued here before.
The gief that beat me, Crizzle, is very good. I don’t know how many of you saw the match but he played it great, and he was great at keeping his momentum. At one point he 360’d a whiffed far standing fierce! I do not know that match very well because I do not play any giefs. This gief also beat keno. Even after keno picked sagat. (I did not see this, but I heard ed ma beat crizzle decisively on one of the side screens when he kicked him out of losers bracket)
I shouldn’t have given the gouken those chances to hit me with psychic ultras, I should’ve played that match exactly like a played ed. I can only blame myself for that loss. I actually put that gouken in losers prior to playing him on the big screen.
Playing on the big screen is enormous pressure for me and I am not good at dealing with it, I get crazy anxiety. I was fortunate enough to play ed on one of the asus monitors in the room.
I had a great time at Warzone and I hope when John Rog hosts it next year some of you guys can come out~
Yesterday I won a tournament, first time ever, and I main Guile. =D I’ve learned quite a bit of spacing from Crackfiend and it helped me step up Guile’s level a notch.
http://www.youtube.com/thedojo510#play/uploads/5/_zbbbXG3RiM (me(Guile) vs “Crackfiend”'s Balrog)
http://www.youtube.com/sikwidit510#play/all/uploads-all/0/WvmPCROTdbk (Me (Guile) vs Grimmmmz(Ryu) )
Waiting on Grand Finals videos to post up…
And as for Warahk vs Crizzle…I must apologize!!! Crizzle and I have had some intense matches against each other, he’s no slouch with his Gief =O He knows the Guile matchup pretty well after having fought me in casuals and tourney matches !
Good job, LAMERBOI! My favorite was when you jumped straight up and kicked the wing off the plane.:wgrin:
Good job sir! looks like you and us fellow Guile players have gone up another level. As for Warahk, he is also a pretty solid player too
Thanks everyone! It was one helluva fun tourney, although small…but some high level players still showed up instead of attending West Coast Warzone
Grats on the win Lamerboi :rock:
TRF 8/24/09
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm8135185 part 1
11:25 vs. Sagat
TRF 08/31/09
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm8138656 part 1
1:15 vs. Sagat
TRF 07/27/09
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm8164451 part 1
03:35 vs. Akuma
13:45 vs. Chunli
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm8166577 part 2
04:55 vs. Akuma
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm8166806 part 3
00:00 vs. Vega
19:45 vs. Honda
Damn nicovideo
Can anyone kind enough tell me how to register to nicovideo?
EDIT: nevermind, I’ll just use google translate.
Good idea i guess, ill try that