The first 20 seconds or so of the viper match was painful to watch…Yoshio’s bp is dropping like a rock.
That Gief is crazy good, I remember watching him play in 3v3 Japanese team tournament by himself and taking out a large part of the competition finally losing to a Ryu player in the later stages (semi or quarter finals?)
I’m no where near as good as Yoshio and I haven’t played any Giefs as good as Itabashi, but I find after a knock down I run into the same problems. You just have to guess between command throw or lariat, I just assumed this was Gief’s only mixup game since he takes so much damage trying to get in on most players. I’ve fk’ed the right way on cross ups before but it seems random to me how it gets turned around or not. I read its depending on when you hit kick, whether the op has crossed the 90 degree mark in relation to your midpoint but it doesn’t seem that way. In many cases, I’ll use my ultra for the 1 hit launch and then run away for a reset. The DP in SF4 has so many uses and it seems to have ‘smarter’ qualities than the other moves its compared to like a flash kick, headbutt, etc. I remember Combofiend stating that Ryu’s DP will track Viper’s burnkick so you can’t cross him up like you can with other players.
well you say its sad. but i did watch a match between daigo and itabashi and the geif did the same thing to do daigo for the win, though i do understand where you are coming from
You’re crying over a Guile that clearly didn’t know the matchup? The dude may be Japanese, but that doesn’t mean he was any good. In fact, that Guile was absolute garbage. It looks like he hasn’t learned a single combo, and all those times Gief threw him he could have…i don’t know…jumped. Random flash kicks and poking while Gief is airborne isn’t going to win him any tourneys either. You make it seem as if that’s the best any Guile could ever do against Gief. “OMG deez r highe ,level japanese players, whrt the hel1 are we going to do in thsi matchups!1” Guile isn’t completely worthless against crossups either you just need to learn what do to.
Arm chair quarterbacks rule the day. Its clear you have no idea of who Yoshio is or what he’s capable of. Guile isn’t a combo crazy character, he can easily win performing no more than a 3 hit combo. Against Gief its always easy to say, hey you should have jumped there, or you shouldn’t have jumped and just blocked there, that’s the whole point of a mix up, you HAVE TO GUESS. When you were trying to jump, he could have just c.lk and lariat to keep you grounded, when you try to block, you get thrown or command thrown. Nobody is completely worthless against crossups, you can always just block but Guile doesn’t have an autotracking or escape move like syngin described.
I don’t give a fuck who that guy is. He played like complete shit. The guy did absolutely nothing in that match and got his ass handed to him, but for whatever reason it’s wrong for me to call him shit because “oOH DOn’t j00 know that’s yorshiropiro the top ajapnese guile plaeyr d00d.” I know Guile doesn’t need combos to win a match but a simple cr jab -> cr mp -> flash kick wouldn’t have killed him. Sonic booms to keep Gief away would have been a good idea, but I guess spamming cr mk while Gief is in the air is the l33t way to use Guile. You guys worship these people way too much as if they can’t do no wrong. That Guile completely shit the bed by his damn self not because of the matchup. I don’t know what video you guys saw.
I know I haven’t faced the Giefs of Itabashi’s skill level, but it’s not like he’s using a completely different Gief that nobody else is allowed to use, and I don’t remember the Gief-Guile matchup being 10-0. Gief has his weaknesses, and that Guile didn’t bother trying to exploit any of them, let alone do anything period.
alright, keep thinking there was nothing that Guile could do against Gief. Apparently once Gief knocks your Guile down, you might as well put your stick down because there’s a video where a japanese Guile couldn’t do anything after hitting the ground. If Yoshio couldn’t do anything against Gief, then the matchup must be completely in Giefs’ favor, and we all just have to deal with losing at the character select screen, amirite. People on this board really need to get off Japanese/tourney players’ dicks. They’re not all-knowing and error-free as everyone here makes them out to be.
He boomed until Gief was close because Itabashi is known for his ability to green hand on reaction. If you watch any of Yoshio’s other Gief matches, he usually wins. Look them up on youtube, he’s quite knowledgeable about the matchup, but Itabashi is considered by many to be the best Gief in the world. You simply aren’t going to win all of your matches especially when you are put into a guessing game with Gief.
Look at
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Daigo gets the same thing done to him, are you going to say that Daigo isn’t knowledgeable either and isn’t worth anything because he didn’t turn the matchup into a combo video? :nono:
I’m not knocking that Gief because I’ve seen his play, but do you really believe that’s the best Yoshio could have done in that situation? You think it wasn’t Yoshi’s fault he lost but because Gief rules that matchup? It looked to me like he had never played that matchup before.
Your reading comprehension is severely lacking. Nobody is saying Guile is useless against Gief. Gilley was referring to Guile not having a gtfom for countering cross ups. He didn’t say Gief dominates Guile, if you read the matchups thread, most people agree Guile has the necessary skills to keep Gief out and that’s a 5-5 matchup. It only gets difficult when you are knocked down and put into Gief’s mixup game, otherwise the matchup would heavily be in Guile’s favor. Think you before you speak, or type.
Of course I don’t think that was Yoshio’s best match against Gief but the idea is to understand the match up enough to know what went wrong. Have you ever lost to a good Fuerte player because you guessed wrong several times in a row? When you have to guess, you aren’t going to hit it all the time. When you guess wrong several times in a row, you are going to look like you never played the game. If he body splashed and you were anticipating a slide, you blocked low and got hit. Someone watching the video will say, ‘block high stupid.’ You then block high expecting a splash and then get command thrown, again, ‘jump idiot.’ Goes on and on…
I know falling for mixups makes one look pretty stupid, but falling for it that many times? I was thinking that after the first three jump-in grabs, he’d adjust (jump, backdash, whatever) , but nope kept standing there hoping that Itabashi would give him a chance. Guile had other options in that match, and Yoshi preferred the l33t option of standing in place.
I just think this board should start putting more blame on these “high level” players, rather than jumping straight to “oh there was nothing Guile could do in that match, I guess we just have to accept that the matchup is unfair and wait patiently until Guile gets buffed in the next update.”
You never know, Gief may have been switching it up against other players so Yoshio was expecting him to go lariat. I know there have been times where someone does something 2-3 times, like a cross up body splash, and I think, there’s no way he’ll do it again, he’s going to throw me for sure, and here comes another body splash (again talking about Fuerte). I always give people the benefit of the doubt, especially when they have proven more than capable from past matches.
I didn’t get the impression people were stating that Guile was defenseless in the match and its a bend over and take it position when going against Gief. I took it as Guile doesn’t have the tools to stop the 50/50 mixup game and basically he has to guess (much like a lot of the other cast) which puts him at a disadvantage.
Back on topic with the thread, here is a match video of a UK tournament. I don’t know who Shinji is but he makes use of the combo Gilley referenced way back, changing the c.lp to c.mp 1 frame link to a s.lp c.mp 2 frame link into a sonic boom, also adding some FADC flash afterwards.
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Use the related video sidebar to watch some of his other vids where it seems that’s his preferred combo.
Hey guys, looking for input from me getting beasted by this Gief. Any tips are welcome, I felt like I was in control until I let him get in once. Any constructive criticism is welcome, especially from the old Guile heads around here
You backed yourself into a corner really quickly before you got much damage on that Gief. When Gief is just out of sweep range and does any move that goes forward, he’s usually buffering a SPD and you got caught with it a few times. c.mk has great range and effective at keeping him out of SPD range. Also, it looks like you like to jump in on Gief for no reason, both your Guile and Cammy were giving him free lariat trades into green hand which usually lead to deadly lariat/spd/ultra mixups.
I would say overall, use db more if you are charging for your boom to get more sb zoning damage in before you walk yourself into the corner. Watch for the SPD setups by whiffed normals and if you are cornered, back throw green hands to escape and reset (or ultra).
Hahaha those were great, it seemed like he was going for FA -> air throw for a couple rounds. It made me wonder why he wouldn’t do anything after a focus attack until he fought that Ryu…unless he was just surprised that it hit. :\
