The Great Item Debate - 4th Edition

If I do Gust Bellows, it’s gonna be tongue-in-cheek the whole way. That thing is straight up broken and has no business in any real match.

It’s funny to me you think that comment deserved a serious reply

To be fair, I never stated what items I would be doing in my series. I should probably make it clear that I won’t be bothering with any rank 5 items (though I like the idea of levity with the Gust Bellows now that I think about it…), and most likely no rank 4 items with the exception of maybe Assist Trophies (more to break down its random facet and some of its properties more than its viability). I think the series will cover a group of similar items when possible, noting their differences but otherwise explaining their similarities in their use, but the more nuanced items may get more dedicated videos.

So today in mood’s weekly, what have you learned issue; we’ll talk about items.

So mood, what do you think of items during this league?

They’re still stupid and only make things worse

You just need some charts and graphs to understand them better :coffee:

At this point i probably do

fixed

Awful lot of bitching about items goin’ on here for a thread that stated in the post that this is not the place for bitching about items.

Needs proof on why items are okay

Still doesnt have proof

Dunno why you guys haven’t put dumbass Mood on ignore yet.

Man you ain’t gonna be happy with the IRC then…

Then fucking put me on ignore, ive brought up some things to help with bayo among other info.

Items are the second coming!! I love them! Wish we were playing rank 5 though!

My issue with items is still that they’re random. yes you can get an estimate on when and where (Haven’t seen any proof of this yet but whatever) but what will the item be? Playstation All-Stars has items on because every stage has set item locations and spawn times. The items will spawn the same way every match. Smash Bros doesn’t have that.

Who’s to say which items are good and which are bad? Who’s to say which frequency to set it at? You ranked them and that’s cute and all but I disagree with the ranks, why is your opinion more valid?

Before I go any further on this, please keep in mind:

You are really crossing that line and it’s nothing short of aggravating. Please stick to the above.

That being said, that is the ENTIRE point of this thread. To hear feedback and other thoughts on the matter to debate what it should be and why. It may be your opinion that everything but the smoke ball should be in rank 5, but please articulate why it should be that way and we can TRY to have a civil conversation about it.

Well any battering item is already pretty up there. You get a projectile as a character that doesn’t normally have one. You buff the speedier characters by giving them a fast kill move where they usually have none and said kill move can hit an insane range and said speedy characters can get to them first as well.

Anything that spawns some invincible/offscreen entity is just straight up ridiculous. Andross gives you stage control for about 15 seconds, why? Because you were Sonic and got there first? Bogus.

a) any battering item puts you at a disadvantage of losing your ground based attacks in favor of the battering swings. With the change from how chucked items went from Brawl to 4, they’re all both catchable and reflectable where they were not before (good god Star Rod, what did Sakurai do to you?!?). Speedier characters will get to items more frequently provided they have the stage control already in place, and utilizing them as a projectile is a risk in and of itself due to catching.

b) you don’t look like you actually read the list and their intents by this part - what you describe as ridiculous are almost entirely in the more ludicrous ranks. The rest can be argued about, and none of them show up in the lower ranks.

Speed <> item obtainment. It helps sometimes, but if you’re focusing on grabbing that next item, you’re not as focused on your opponent. That’s kind of the point behind item play. That added level of adaptability. But this is beside the point. We’re not arguing about items in general. Please stop bringing it back to that. Keep your thoughts in the place of “items are in” before more arguments come out.

Master ball should be rank 3

No, kaboxx. Just no.

Also, if you’re gonna be remotely serious about this and no just troll, explain your reasoning.

https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/XcQz5MJf/

Can someone besides cynt provide an answer because he cant

Cynt, he wasnt bitching, he’s just providing his view that you dont like. Not everything someone says that is negative is bitching