The Great Item Debate - 4th Edition

Come on… You guys have Assist Trophies Rank 4, but not Poke Balls?

Who is ranking this stuff? Mood? Gespenst? Smogonboards?

Assist Trophies are waaaaaaay more powerful than Pokeballs. Even the strongest of Pokemon have nothing on some of these assist trophies…

Furthermore, Assist Trophies, unlike Pokeballs, have several options that completely resitrict gameplay or alter it in an unorthodox fashion where even moving is a bad idea. Nightmare, Nintendogs, Devil, Skull Kid and to a lesser degree Tingle. I remember each of these options showing up more often than the only Pokemon counterpart, Palkia, who is much rarer than the above five and only limited to one.

I want my Elec Man assist, dammit…

Apparently Togepi and Kyogre don’t exist. Beehive is way too low, btw…

Togepi and Kyogre still aren’t that great compared to most assist trophies.

Beehive is fine where it is. It’s annoying, nothing more.

I’m surprised you didn’t go straight for Darkrai, Po.

Because CG asked me for my input.

Boss Galaga

http://i.imgur.com/NX5gKrV.gif

Rank 3 – While it can get a free Star KO, it isn’t reliable at doing this until a decently’ high percent, at which time you can just USmash with most people and kill them anyway. Plus, it’s incredibly telegraphed and easy to avoid.

Blast Box

http://i.imgur.com/tlS5KPl.gif

Rank 4 – Not only can it be activated without consciously choosing to attack it, it also creates a fairly powerful explosion upon doing so.

Food

http://i.imgur.com/NX5gKrV.gif

Rank 1 – It’s a healing item, but the amount healed is so negligible as to not make that large of a difference. Several characters have standard moves that heal more than food, and it’s also technically a player-generated item as well (G&W’s 7 Judgement).

Hocotate Bomb/Drill Arm

http://i.imgur.com/tlS5KPl.gif

Rank 4 – These two items have the potential to score a free KO off the top or side, respectively, as early as around 20-30%. The Drill Arm is also very easy to aim and hit with, while the Hocotate Bomb also is an inadvertent activation and large explosive item.

Pokeball

http://i.imgur.com/tlS5KPl.gif

Rank 4 – It can double as a Master Ball, spawning Legendary Pokemon with fairly startling regularity. Some of the normal Pokemon like Zoroark aren’t slouches, either.

Ray Gun/Steel Diver

http://i.imgur.com/NX5gKrV.gif

Rank 2 – Neither of them are particularly powerful or fast projectiles (the Steel Diver, especially), and they also reduce the carrier’s moveset to a rather predictable pattern.

Smart Bomb

http://i.imgur.com/tlS5KPl.gif

Rank 4 – The explosion covers a fairly wide area and cannot be blocked, at it can also be inadvertently activated.

Smash Ball

http://i.imgur.com/tlS5KPl.gif

Rank 5 – Used properly, these guarantee at least one kill, usually at low percents. Certain characters can get a second kill on top of that, or at least deal a good amount of damage for the next stock.

Home Run Bat

http://i.imgur.com/tlS5KPl.gif

Rank 4 – Only slightly behind the Ore Club in sheer power for battering weapons.

Tanooki Leaf

http://i.imgur.com/tlS5KPl.gif

Rank 3 – Everyone gets a Peach float, allowing even people like default Ganon to be able to recover from anywhere. It lasts longer than the Rocket Belt and provides excellent attacking options, to boot.

^LOL NO to almost all that shit nigga…

Let the King school you:

Boss Galaga Rank 2 If you get caught by this in a 1v1, you suck, period.

Blast Box Rank 3 Unlike what the Smashboards faithful want you to believe, the Blast Box doesn’t just wtfpwn you everytime it spawns… It’s actually pretty durable against most attacks(including Smash attacks), only goes off after taking a huge hit or anything with fire properties, so Mario and Mega Man will want to be wary, as does a scrub Mac/Charizard running around spamming up-smash/Flare Blitz. Don’t be a dumbass, and this thing will not kill you easily.

Food Rank 1 Probably the only thing you’ve gotten right, next to the Poké Ball. Food will never be the difference maker in a match, unless you’re the goof that lets your opponent have access to a Party Ball full of the stuff, and even then you should be able to make that difference up.

Hocotate Bomb/Drill Arm Rank 3 In the words of Abridged Piccolo, "DODGE!" Seriously, you almost have to be trying to get hit by these… I could see them being used in edge-guarding shenanigans… But you if you’re off stage with no way to dodge them, you failed somewhere.

Poké Ball Rank 4 The only other thing you got right. If Assist Trophies are "TOO STRONK," then so is the ability to get Arceus to do your spiking for you.

Ray Gun/Steel Diver Rank 2 Can you block/avoid projectiles from Mega Man? Then these shouldn’t be an issue, seeing as they are slower than a thrown Leaf Shield and take up far less space.

Smart Bomb Rank 3 The explosion IS huge, but the actual bomb itself is so tiny, and doesn’t go off until it hits something/travels a certain distance. Sometimes it doesn’t go off at all…

Smash Ball Rank 4 I was going to go Rank 3, since most are hot, stinking ass, but then I remembered Marth/Lucina who can combo into an OHKO attack and Warioman… Good Lord, Warioman…

Homerun Bat Rank 3 Lol I wish someone would stand still long enough to get bopped by the Smash attack version. The regular attacks deal decent damage, but so does Link’s Master Sword attacks. Deadlier when thrown, since it actually connects.

Super Leaf Rank 2 Yeah, you get a Peach float, that lasts half the duration… That can be punched out of you. Great for Mac and Dorf, a nightmare of stalling in the hands of Puff and Kirby, who no one uses.

I just want to say that Food is ridiculously useful for Wario. He heals for like 15% when he Chomps something. I remember leaving Food on once or twice in a few matches after I was labbing with Wario Waft. Since no one care about food, no one makes it a point to defend that shit. What happened in the end was Wario would just hover at around 40-60% the entire game.

Also, love the PTSD Po has with the SUPER WAH

Yeah, I don’t see the issue with Smash Balls. Giving Marth and Lucina a moment in time of not sucking seems like a plus to me.

I can almost agree with the R1 for food, but you know the Smogonboards people would be UP IN ARMS over it.

BAN ALL THE ITEMS!!! THEY ARE DETRIMAL TO DEVELOPING METAGAME!!

Fixed that for you.

Just a bump to mention that I still plan a “How To Item” series in the future, but I honestly don’t want to rely on another user to record all my raw replays, send it back to me, then do my editing, and it would be rather dumb of me to perform the actions needed to make the replays in preparation for myself, only for Nintendo to patch Smash again and make 'em all useless. I’ll begin as soon as I can procure my capture card, though I have been experimenting.

Good luck, shit I’ll even offer my services as a narrator.

That is going to be a bigger waste of time than trying to get Willie Nelson to quit marijuana

Not to people that actually like using items…

…all five of them on SRK… :coffee:

http://i.imgur.com/Qt3XZZa.gif

Fixed

Still doesn’t mean they should be ignored.

Gusting bellows or i riot