The Good But Generally Bad Police Thread

jimmy1200 · October 29, 2015, 10:23am

Alot of interesting info to say the least.

pedoviejo · October 29, 2015, 4:34pm

And disobedience isn’t met with that response.

Did you ever get beat for stepping out of bounds? There’s a fine line between merited use of force, and abuse. This is abuse.

Pertho:

pedoviejo:

Look at how the desks are designed. Look how frail and small that birch is. This dude is built. He could have pulled her out, or pushed the desk outside and then expelled her from school. Simple, instead he got way to physical, and then the school would have been bleed dry rightfully so. Common sense is lacking

Tossing the birch like that serves nothing and scares nobody. It only emboldens kids to continue believing authority of any kind shouldn’t be respected.

Oh, and that kind of student is the reason why certain schools are fucking trash and not worth teaching. But these people need to exercise more common sense.

There is no good way to drag a kid out of a desk. He actually did it in the best possible way. I’ve never needed to but “look at how the desks are designed”. You arent really gonna pry a non-compliant student out of there.

The reason why students do this shit is literally because they get away with it constantly. The more shit a kid does, the more she or he knows about the limitations teachers have. Once they do that they talk to each other. A good majority of the students are not going buckwild. For the ones that do though, teachers are essentially helpless since students have way more power than they do.

This isn’t a race issue in the least. I’ve dealt with students who needed to get bodied. I’ve been in classrooms where the lack of repercussions made it impossible to teach in. Some of them you can work with, others just need to get slammed.

As I was explaining to a friend of mine today, this chick is like 0.005% of the student population. This isn’t happening every day unless you have a ridiculously terrible school (then that school will be terrible more due to many factors). For that small ridiculous percent of students with the complain happen parents that just are wishing a nigga would so they can sue, this is what should be happening but they’ve let certain places get out of control.

I get all of that. I went to low tier school, filled with a lot of people like this. These type of idiots really do big down the system, but abuse to resolve the situation?

My issue is this. There’s a fine line between abuse, and good use of force. This isn’t good use of force, because under state law, if a parent is caught doing this to their kid it rank as gross abuse. There would be shit to pay from state authorities (another contradiction that feeds the issue of shit behaving students)

Yeah there isn’t an easy way to do it, but it’s obvious the dude was strong enough to physically pull her from the seat. Tossing it like thatisnt smart and creates a situation where students disconnect from authority figures like this. He is a trained professional, he should have handled this a bit better and not acted so rash. And yeah this isn’t a race issue, this is the least of my concerns, it’s an abuse issue (a complex one at that because of idiotic bylaws and protocol that fosters this behavior)

charlie88 · October 29, 2015, 4:45pm

Not to mention this girl lost her mother recently. To be honest she is probably still hurting from that alone. Losing your parents at an early age and then being put in foster care you will not think rationally. If anything she needs help and this situation did nothing but hurt her worse.

Raz0r · October 29, 2015, 4:56pm

That’s because white boys are prone to shoot a school up.

Pertho · October 29, 2015, 7:37pm

None of this is relevant to the situation. A lot of us in education care. We really, really care. Unfortunately we are forced to walk a bunch of fine lines that are sometimes at odds. If you are distressed, how much time do I take away from class to help you out? We do it, but this is a huge issue. If a student is showing all the signs of having a bad day at home and he or she doesn’t want to talk about it, what do you do? As it is, you are looking at a bunch of class time that just vanished on that day and then the next day when the students are still talking about it. So that little show cost the teacher time he isn’t going to get back.

So look, teachers try. Uncooperative students happen and all they do is shit up the classroom because they think they can get away with murder. You know what? They probably could get away with murder. This isn’t representative of a typical classroom. Shit like this happens in 0.05% of classes but when it does, there is no easy way to do it. Students are allowed to do all sorts of shit that nobody else can without much to worry about. Nobody knows or even considers that.

Did you get pulled from a desk or some shit? He did that in the cleanest way possible whether we like it or not. If you look at the vid, he obviously considered other ways to do it and decided this was the fastest/easiest way of turning the whole thing into a longer spectacle. It looks like abuse, but odds are really good that if it came down to a pulling match, the video would’ve been way fucking longer.

There are plenty of things that look way scarier than they actually are. This is easily one of them. Let’s ask ourselves a couple of questions on this situation:

Was the student hurt?
Did he use force in a malicious way?
Did he use more force than needed?
What were the alternatives to his actions?
Would these alternatives be better than what he chose?
No.
No.
Maybe. Angry kids are a lot stronger than people understand.
Yes.
It would’ve meant a longer engagement.

Fill out those questions yourselves.

Don_Barracuda · October 31, 2015, 7:18pm

Cop breaks up fight by issuing dance off

Cop punches school kid

Armed blackman pulled over not shot by police

Policeman drags shoplifter by the hair and punches her 3times in the head

4 Cops hurt breaking up school fight

SoVi3t · October 31, 2015, 8:39pm

It is after other methods have been tried, and failed, which happened.

No, because I had the intelligence to understand when I had stepped out of bounds, and didn’t challenge authority for doing so. I understood a line had been crossed, and the only two options were to remedy the situation, or act like a ghetto thug which will inevitably end with a beatdown. So I go with the logical solution.

The very fact I’ve been in the situations and emerged unscathed, goes to prove how fucking correct I am.

I’ll say it once again, since nobody seems to get it. You fuck with a cop, you deserve to get fucked up, plain and simple. I don’t care if you’re black, white, green, purple, 60, 20, 15, male, female, whatever. Suck a dick, and take that beating. Don’t want to get tossed around like a rag doll? DO AS YOU’RE FUCKING TOLD. If you wanna act hood or tough, suck every inch of dick I have to offer, I hope you get your fucking skull cracked, for being a dumbass.

Cop says move over here, you go do it. Oh, you had bad situations with cops? Probably because you’re an idiot and done fucked up.

tl;dr be more like me, dumbasses.

Don_Barracuda · November 1, 2015, 9:13pm

lmao Cali police are going to be given nunchuks, I can’t see this possibly going wrong…
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-northern-california-police-department-to-adopt-nunchakus-20151026-htmlstory.html

:lol: theres gonna be a lot of broken noses if they’re trying to catch punches

Geese_Pants · November 7, 2015, 3:17am

In a veiled threat, the largest police union in the country says it has a “surprise” in store for Quentin Tarantino.

Jim Pasco, executive director of the Fraternal Order of Police, would not go into any detail about what is being cooked up for the Hollywood director, but he did tell THR: “We’ll be opportunistic.”

“Tarantino has made a good living out of violence and surprise,” says Pasco. “Our officers make a living trying to stop violence, but surprise is not out of the question.”

The FOP, based in Washington, D.C., consists of more than 330,000 full-time, sworn officers. According to Pasco, the surprise in question is already “in the works,” and will be in addition to the standing boycott of Tarantino’s films, including his upcoming movie The Hateful Eight.

“Something is in the works, but the element of surprise is the most important element,” says Pasco. "Something could happen anytime between now and [the premiere]. And a lot of it is going to be driven by Tarantino, who is nothing if not predictable.

“The right time and place will come up and we’ll try to hurt him in the only way that seems to matter to him, and that’s economically,” says Pasco.

When asked if this was a threat, Pasco said no, at least not a physical threat. “Police officers protect people,” he says. “They don’t go out to hurt people.”

The director of the upcoming Hateful Eight has drawn the ire of unions from the largest police departments in the country, border patrol and other law enforcement organizations.

Last month while marching in New York for a rally against police brutality, Tarantino called police “murderers.” He has since gone public to clarify his remarks, saying that he is not anti-police, but against unarmed men and women being killed by them.

At this point, most box-office analysts don’t think Hateful Eight will be hurt at the box office by the dust-up.

“Tarantino is no stranger to controversy. At the end of the day, this publicity only has people talking about the film more. I don’t think it will negatively impact the box office,” says Phil Contrino of BoxOffice.com. Adds Jeff Bock of Exhibitor Relations, "I think audiences can separate the auteur from the activist since most people who buy a ticket to a Quentin Tarantino film show up to hear what his characters say, not the filmmaker. “I mean Star Wars is about to take over the known media universe. This is just white noise.”

Rentrak’s Paul Dergarabedian has a different opinion. “Quite simply, there’s no way to know whether it will affect box office. Even after it opens, you can’t quantify whether or not a boycott ultimately had an impact. But it has to cause a headache. It’s not the kind of thing you want surrounding your movie, especially in the crowded Christmas frame when it will be going up against movies like Joy. And this situation is gaining traction. The idea that there’s no such thing as bad press isn’t necessarily true here.”

TWC didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment on the FOP.

I mean…Quentin wasn’t lying.

Don_Barracuda · November 7, 2015, 4:05pm

Louisiana marshals face murder charge over boy’s gun death

Two marshals in the US state of Louisiana are to be charged with murder after the fatal shooting of a six-year-old boy.
Jeremy Mardis and his father, Chris Few, were in a car when they were shot in Marksville on Tuesday night.
Officers Norris Greenhouse and Derrick Stafford were arrested after a vehicle chase that left Mr Few, who was driving, critically injured.
Jeremy died at the scene and Mr Few remains in hospital.
The two officers were arrested on Friday after body-camera footage taken from them was assessed.
It is still unclear what led them to pursue Mr Few and what triggered the shooting.

http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/17080/production/_86563349_7b78591a-50dd-42b9-95c1-fea7fc4d6d99.jpg

Both were working secondary jobs in Marksville as marshals when the shooting happened, Col Michael Edmonson of Louisiana state police told a news conference.
“He [Jeremy Mardis] didn’t deserve to die like that and that’s what’s important,” Col Edmonson said.
Referring to the body-camera footage of the incident, Col Edmondson added: "I can tell you, it is the most disturbing thing I’ve seen, and I’ll leave it like that."
The two officers have been charged with murder and attempted murder over the shooting.
Mr Few’s stepfather, Morris German, said that Jeremy was a delightful child who “loved everything, everybody”, the AP news agency reported.
Mr German said the boy, who had been diagnosed with autism, had no siblings.

danomighty · November 12, 2015, 10:44pm

CTG · November 12, 2015, 10:49pm

jimmy1200:

Wil:

The officer who tossed the kid in the classroom is now fired for using excessive force: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/education/wp/2015/10/28/s-c-sheriff-to-announce-results-of-investigation-into-officer-who-threw-student/

I hit disagree on this for many reasons, but some i will address below.

dn3000:

I dunno man… not too sound like an old geezer but if this was back in the day and an actual police officer had to come for you… id be shitting myself. What kind of unruly bad ass kids say nah fuck you/talk to the hand (lol) to everyone… including the police. They have no fear of any repercussions. Thats part of the big problem. The office shouldnt have tossed her around like that…but there weren’t any stairs present…soo what ya gonna do.

Basically. I remember hiding in the bushes outside the “rich” neighborhood, and me and my friends throwing mulch at cars when they drove by. Someone stopped and yelled at us, a couple got out, i stayed hidden, and we never did it again. lol. But it was a respect thing. The idea of telling someone who we’re throwing mulch at to suck our dicks, was just a foreign concept. When it comes to cops, i didnt have bad/weird experiences until older, but when younger, having an alcoholic father who is a drug addict, that likes to come home all hours of the night, you tend to lean on cops a lot. Especially when you live with your grandmother, his mother, and neither one of us can deal with him.

With all that said, an unflinching disrespect to authority in some cases is a telling sign of some problems in my opinion. Ive known many like that, and they all have ended up, dead, in jail, hooked on drugs, or fucked in some way.

****I think in todays soft society, they see that, and lose their shit, but back when i was growing up, my grandmother wouldve fucked me up for fucking up in school like that, and my aunts wouldve followed with their own ass whoopins too.

Like, people think she got dragged in class. That looks like the start of a normal ass whooping in a black household growing up.** LOL. Seriously. I think that officer has his own issues to deal with, because i heard he has a history of alleged violent tendencies, but what do you do when you have exhausted all resources, and this girl thinks she is god.
**

I do not agree with the person who filmed it being arrested. Seems he was charged up, and was just laying the smack down in general. Also, if he has a nickname in your school, your school is probably frustratingly shitty, and this girl didnt make his job any easier that day.

Teens are the absolute worst, and i think the overtly left, online liberals have lost sight of some truths to reality. Actually, most of them are white suburb types, and dont know how motherfuckers outside of that middle class lifestyle can get. Hood niggas will kill you for some shoes. Strippers are untrustworthy ho’s. Homosexuals are sometimes, if not more often, fairly flamboyant. No one knows wtf is going on with transgenders. Theyre more confused then a hamster at a gopher party.lol. Like sometimes things just are what they are, keep it moving.

**Now see, also, i took the same type of attitude many are taking now with this issue, with that texas pool incident, and i had a few people act/say like i was cooning, cause i said, niggas be wildin, were wildin in the video, and they got got for it. **

Razor be saying some wild shit sometimes, but i think when you experience the other side of some shit, you really get a better picture painted. Granted im a little more for black lives than him at times (lol), but somtimes niggas be wildin, and sjw’s jump in to defend nonsense, when if they were in that situation, they might drag that bitch too.

The difference is it was your parents and relatives doing that. I caught many a butt whoopin’ and everything that came with it. My aunts had permission to do the same if I was acting up in their care - but that’s where it stopped. My parents would’ve went nuts had some cop, teacher, whatever laid a hand on me.

crucades · November 12, 2015, 10:53pm

Well theres an easy death penalty lol, bitch straight up tortured then executed a person, all the while screaming.

charlie88 · November 13, 2015, 3:15am

Pertho:

charlie88:

Not to mention this girl lost her mother recently. To be honest she is probably still hurting from that alone. Losing your parents at an early age and then being put in foster care you will not think rationally. If anything she needs help and this situation did nothing but hurt her worse.

None of this is relevant to the situation. A lot of us in education care. We really, really care. Unfortunately we are forced to walk a bunch of fine lines that are sometimes at odds. If you are distressed, how much time do I take away from class to help you out? We do it, but this is a huge issue. If a student is showing all the signs of having a bad day at home and he or she doesn’t want to talk about it, what do you do? As it is, you are looking at a bunch of class time that just vanished on that day and then the next day when the students are still talking about it. So that little show cost the teacher time he isn’t going to get back.

So look, teachers try. Uncooperative students happen and all they do is shit up the classroom because they think they can get away with murder. You know what? They probably could get away with murder. This isn’t representative of a typical classroom. Shit like this happens in 0.05% of classes but when it does, there is no easy way to do it. Students are allowed to do all sorts of shit that nobody else can without much to worry about. Nobody knows or even considers that.

pedoviejo:

My issue is this. There’s a fine line between abuse, and good use of force. This isn’t good use of force, because under state law, if a parent is caught doing this to their kid it rank as gross abuse. There would be shit to pay from state authorities (another contradiction that feeds the issue of shit behaving students)

Did you get pulled from a desk or some shit? He did that in the cleanest way possible whether we like it or not. If you look at the vid, he obviously considered other ways to do it and decided this was the fastest/easiest way of turning the whole thing into a longer spectacle. It looks like abuse, but odds are really good that if it came down to a pulling match, the video would’ve been way fucking longer.

There are plenty of things that look way scarier than they actually are. This is easily one of them. Let’s ask ourselves a couple of questions on this situation:

Was the student hurt?

Did he use force in a malicious way?

Did he use more force than needed?

What were the alternatives to his actions?

Would these alternatives be better than what he chose?

No.

No.

Maybe. Angry kids are a lot stronger than people understand.

Yes.

It would’ve meant a longer engagement.

Fill out those questions yourselves.

Was not referring to a teacher and to be honest as someone who deals with KIDS EVERYRDAY I do not want an under qualified teacher trying to counsel a child. What she needed is a psychiatric eval. It is relevant because for all we know this kid was NOT IN HER RIGHT MIND. That is a lot to deal with as a girl. Not excusing her actions but EVERYTHING needs to be looked at.

Don_Barracuda · November 13, 2015, 4:10am

Police called to old couple who dialed 999 because they were lonely.

Police officers came to the aid of an elderly couple who dialled 999 because they were lonely - and made them both a cup of tea.
The two Greater Manchester Police officers were sent to the home of Fred Thomson and his 95-year-old wife Doris in Middleton.
Mr Thomson said he was touched by the officers’ care saying that he felt like his home had been “locked off from everything”.
He added: "You feel somebody cares and oh that does matter… simple things they talk about, nothing very special but they showed that they cared by being there and talking to you."
The officers, PCs Stu Ockwell and Andy Richardson, spent 30 minutes with the couple, putting the kettle on while they spoke to Mr Thomson.
Asked if the police should be spending time on such calls, PC Ockwell replied: “It’s neighbourhood policing for me.”

odin · November 13, 2015, 4:14am

In America they would get charged with abusing an emergency line.

Don_Barracuda · November 13, 2015, 12:43pm

lol heres another one for you

By 2019 All UK Police Officers to have Degrees
Full story - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34805856

All new police officers in England and Wales could require a degree in future, under plans proposed by the College of Policing.
Currently there is no service-wide minimum qualification for new police officers, but the college says the job is now of “degree-level complexity”.

It is consulting on the plans, which if approved could run as a pilot in 2017 and be fully adopted by 2019.
But the Police Federation said it fundamentally disagreed with the idea.

The federation, which represents rank-and-file police officers, said the plans would exclude hard-to-reach groups and those unable to afford university fees.

BBC home affairs correspondent Danny Shaw said the plans - if adopted - would herald the “biggest change to policing in recent times”.

Currently, recruitment requirements vary from force to force, with some insisting applicants have A-levels or a certificate in policing and others demanding experience in a policing role.
The College of Policing, which is responsible for setting standards of ethics and training for the police service, says fewer than a third of officers have a degree.
…
“We are looking to have degree-level qualifications for constable and masters for superintendent.”

I’m all for this but there needs to be something to help the less fortunate afford university. Plus the police are already underpaid now they will have a staff of highly educated and grossly underpaid officers, what would be the appeal?

SoVi3t · November 13, 2015, 2:02pm

look at this fat fuck…how is he even still a cop at this point?

dn3000 · November 13, 2015, 4:44pm

Well he has to use something to cut up all those cakes… a knife for everycake.

Don_Barracuda · November 18, 2015, 12:53am

English Police :lol: