oh, I didn’t know talking to people who’ve been playing for 20 years about with god like footsies was a waste of time. Or talking to the Japanese players on how to approach defensive layers.
Those are such a waste of time!!! like I could sit in training mode for 30mins and work on this combo some more!!!
there is more than 1 way to train and many of us, including myself, aren’t good enough to dismiss GGPO and call it a waste of time. Like I’ve said a billion times, you don’t have to play the GGPO games to be good @ them or even play them to enter tournaments.** Its just a training tool. If you play vsav for an hour and lose 40 games, you didn’t lose 40 games. You spent an hour working on your reaction time.**
and like I’ve said before, if you can footsie in ST, being able to footsie in SF4 is no problem. ST is faster in tempo, faster in pokes, shorter screen and 20 year vets in there that hang out like kuroppi, roybisel, dgv, afrolegends etc… all amazing players.
for some people, GGPO is a scene but I think @ least 60% of shoryuken should be using GGPO as a training tool. The goal isn’t to win or learn the games, its to get better. I really can’t believe you called it a waste of time. Is talking to alex valle about footsies a waste of time? the guy does have 20 years of EXP and there several other players on GGPO all with insane knowledge and equal EXP about the core concepts to fighting games that over 50% srk has no FUCKING clue about. You could spend yearssssssss figuring that out for yourself or you can jump online a few times and learn the lesson in maybe a week.
it seems that I’m one of the few people that realize how awesome of a training tool this is. I get to regularly ask 10-20+ year vets about tactics and approaches. You know actual good fighting game talk that is never on SRK. I’ve learned more on GGPO than I ever learned on this website and that is the gods honest truth. The good people very rarely post and when they do, its never detailed help. If I corner valle online, @ least back in the day, and get him in a game, I would ALWAYS ask for tips or ask him about a particular scenario that i couldn’t understand and he would give me an answer. You never get that on srk.com, ever. There are very very few threads where top players help everyone but on GGPO, they do.** I would hardly call my 5 years on ggpo talking to vets\world champions op 3 players with over a decade of EXP in fighters with excellent tournament records a waste of my time.**
I’m not saying your experience with GGPO was a waste of time. I’m saying MY PERSONAL experience with GGPO could turn out quite fruitless. Before I even started trying to implement ST footsie knowledge into my SFIV game, I’d have to learn the various changes between the systems and have to learn to play the game in general. Footsies aren’t exactly the easiest thing to learn when something looks foreign to you. I feel as though I’d have to spend a good 50 hours before anything substantial about my game would change at all. What are the exact chances I would be able to talk to a top level player about my game when I haven’t been playing the game for a few months already?
Even when working on specific things to apply to my game as a general player, you act like it is impossible to have a similar experience playing the new fighting games. How is trying to react to something in Marvel or SFIV different than ST? A lot of being able to react to something is recognizing the situation. You have to be able to weigh out all the things happening on the screen at a different time and apply your mental complicities in the most optimal way to deal with a given mix-up/approach. In a vacuum most humans have a similar base reaction time when reacting to say, a light flashing. However when say, you’re trying to react to a mixup or approach in a game, you can gain various advantages just by knowing exact visual cues and having experience dealing with it. The only real advantage you’d have between games is knowing a few tricks to make the process go more smoothly.
I’m not trying to be close minded about any of this. I’m actually fairly open to new things. I’d like my mind changed. I really do enjoy a good challenge to myself. I just happen to be fairly contented with the games I’m currently playing.
the net code is so bad for sf4\umvc3 everywhere but Japan that actually learning to play is impossible. You can learn matchups, you can learn cues for this or that or even little other tricks, you will NEVER learn to play properly outside of 2 people on a Japanese connection and learning to play properly is 100x more important that a visual cue
what you end up doing is a little bit of both.
you practice the core fundamentals on GGPO because the net code is good enough to allow those things to be practiced, then you take those practiced lessons BACK to your main games. Its a training tool and it isn’t the only tool in the shed. Its just one of many that barely anyone uses even though its free
you’d be surprised how helpful the people on GGPO are. I’ve never met anyone to say fuck you, learn it on your own and I’ve been on there for 5 years.
you’re arguing a theory, I’m arguing a fact. I’ve taught many players on GGPO vampire and throughout our weeks of practice, I usually have almost all the people I teach comeback to me and say, damn my reactions are faster or my spacing is so much better offline for my main game. Those aren’t coincidences. Its a product of playing above the level of your current game which justin wong credits most of his success towards. Since mvc2 was beyond ridiculous, everything else is a fisher price toy. Stepping down is so much easier than stepping up for skill
This is true. People seem to forget that most of the current top players were top players 1st, then top SF4/MVC3 players 2nd.
But for most of the player base, they are stuck with the core set of rules they learned (in SF4/MVC3 which are umm…‘unique beasts’ compared to other fighting games) and try to apply it to the whole genre.
Watching your average SF4 player trying to play SF2 is just a pathetic sight.
Reverting to all his SF4 habits under pressure (mash jabs, mash d/f+p) and it gets him no where.
It’s like watching a player that started with only 3S try SF2 and can’t handle basic fireball zoning.
I mean sure if you really are a top player, no matter in which game, you already have the skill to analyze rules and to quickly adapt accordingly, so a guy like Kuroda could pick up any game he wanted with relative ease, but most of the player base will have problems since they started with a unique game.
who cares about the best way to improve as long as you improve for fucks sake
I know if you play a slow game and you can’t improve your speed playing a faster game will help you and its not a theory, its a fact. Its been proven in several forms throughout the years like driving on the interstate going 85mph only to jump into city traffic that is going 45. Other people going 45 can’t keep up but they guy coming off the interstate is noticing everything and wondering why the fuck everyone is driving slow.
its the exact same concept
here you are trying to deter people from improving themselves and I’m trying to help people improve their game by giving them alternate FREE ways to train
you NEVER learn all the fighting game fundamentals from one game ever. To be really good @ fundamentals, it usually takes 3-4 games of different styles to tell you what those are. You think Daigo okido are so good because Sf4 is the only game they ever played? They are pulling fundamentals from other games and using them to dominate just like Justin is
Yo, I was going to write something in this thread after reading the last page… I come to this page, and fuck… Shoult and tataki did it for me.
Thanks gaiz!!!1!11!
I always find this weird. Why does everyone seem to assume mashing reversals and mashing jabs is the only thing you learn from SFIV? Both are generally terrible ideas. I’ll admit that the tactic is way better than in most games, but you still shouldn’t ever really try to abuse it. I don’t remember ever playing SF2 and thinking either of them was a good idea. You tend to learn in 5 minutes that the game isn’t even the same and stop doing both mashing jabs and reversals. The thing I see most street fighter 4 players do in ST is either abuse tick throws or go for SFIV style blockstrings.
I had a lot written, but I’m editing it down because I think you hit it exactly on the head with this.
If he can improve by playing without GGPO (and there are a number of games currently out there, so variety isn’t a problem), and has more enjoyment learning that way, more power to him.
yo maybe you could try GGPO so you have some kind of concrete foundation to talk about it on instead of telling everyone about how you’re a middle-aged mom who doesn’t know how to email
Just tried GGPO everybody, well almost. My computer started beeping and smoke was coming out of the CD drive. Hopefully Capcom can make something that even I, a mom on-the-go, can use to play fighting games.
I tried to setup ggpo afew months back but I couldnt get in a match and I heard you gotta do some port fowarding or something like that so I used super arcade
actually out of nowhere my games would stop loading nor can I spectate. I tried to do the instructions given on the site but it seems like on the ggpo forums are dead. Even when I uninstall and install it still doesn’t work
hmm…‘debates’ are so fun to watch.
Time to post something totally not what this thread is about…or is it?
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To share my own little story, I grew up playing sf2,mk,fatal fury, and etc. but was oblivious to the massive “library” of fighting games out there About a decade past, and I discovery from some ‘select’ people about GGPO/2DFighter, and ever since I’ve played an online game or two with the small circle of friends I’ve developed and occasional strangers. Practically all the games they’ve had I was unfamiliar with, but throw in three years worth of effort and diligence and I win my fair share of matches.
To all of those that say “oh this game is old, I could never get into, I would never be able to compete.” That’s a hill-high load of monkey crap. Has easy-mode, ultras, x-factors, and button shortcuts sweet jesus gotten us so spoiled that we cannot get off our asses when we get knocked down?
Somebody want to tell me how to get Cyberbots on GGPO? The only dude I ever played in the game was Turbovec, and no hate dude, but you suck at Capcom fighting games.
It all depends on the person, takes a certain mindset for somebody, especially somebody that hasn’t been playing fighting games forever to enjoy plowing through the hard times going onto GGPO fresh implies.
People play games to enjoy themselves, its not really for us to tell folks they’re enjoying themselves the wrong way.
what you want to do is open ggpo final burn alpha emulator. startup cyberbots then make a savestate file and change the name of the savestate file one of the many ggpo games savestate files.
Also in order to play other people you would have to pass around the same savestate this is why we all hop on skype and network to get our games in.
I’m probably just worrying too much about not being good enough and being recognized for it.
With new games, I have no problem since there are so many people I’d hardly stand out,
but games with smaller player bases kinda worry me.
It’s not like I’m terrible or anything, so I guess I’m just kind of a whimp when it comes to how people may view me.