Well dunno i this was documented before (must have been at some point anyway). If all hits but the first one of cell assist hit an airborn opp, he fall gently toward the ground allowing for some easy comboing.
Full beam to non-full beam here.
(for bardock i found a very consistent way to get the gentle fall is after the 5M jMjL jLL cancel into 214L before the 2nd hit + cell assist at the same time).
Kambo pretty un-optimized but it’s mostly to illustrate the usage of cell assist.
Anybody have a clear grasp on the changes to reflect? I tested it a little last night against Trunks and Cell and it seems like their 2m slides and auto strings no longer reach the opponent after reflecting a j.H
On top of that, you can no longer go straight into your block string after being reflected either, some buttons just straight up don’t come out.
I didn’t get to spend too much time with it though, curious what everyone else has found.
Pretty cool that your actually plus on the air dash in this situation
His 2L and his multi hitting specials are the biggest problem. After that, his corner combo and the range on angled air beam (compare it to gokus angled beam.
That stuff COMBINED with his big normals is the problem.
Mostly 2L though more than anything. Very little reason for him to have low 2L
Sounds right. Maybe the long-term philosophy for the game will be those with low hitting 2Ls will typically have lower damage output than others. Cell doesn’t fit that criteria at all, and Bardock is kind of in the same boat (his only problem being bad “projectile” zoning potential… but it’s not needed when you have Clothesline ready).
I’ll probably be on the opposite boat though wanting the majority of the cast with 2Ls with other cheap stuff to differentiate characters, since I feel that high/low mixups are essential to have in anime games barring cheap character exclusive tools (which is not really present yet in DBFZ… or at least now, since Vegeta assist isn’t as dominant as before). It wouldn’t have to be a thing if cross-up protection was gone though, but they seem firm on keeping that.
Kid Buu is a character I do not really have a good grasp on how he works, as I don’t even know what his typical “go-to” BnBs are along with what are his common pro strings to work with (primarily by himself). I just know that his mixups are one of the hardest things to anticipate/react at any position of the screen in the game.
Kid Buu’s goal is to maul you with an onslaught of moves, using his long reach to keep the pressure up at all times and getting openings using unusual movement options such as his Ki blast moves putting him in the air/stalling him out and Blanka Ball crossups
I get the style he tries to go for, but idk what is his approach other than the day 1 round start scrub killer 2M or insert assist and do stuff. I just never got around to seeing how he handles neutral by himself and how he can convert and make the most of it with or without meter at any position of the screen due to how unorthodox he is. Does not help sadly that the “Kid Buu” character thread in the forums here does not really add much insight other than mainly combo video stuff.
Like just as bulletpoint references atm what I know:
I’m really lacking on long term memory for what he has in check, but this is the only info ingrained on me.
Also, more patch aftermath goodies:
since i am out of touch. anything important which i need to remove/put into the dojo thread ?
So I may have just found something wonderful-
There’s a way to make the enemy’s assist take unscaled damage during happy birthday situations. If you hit their assist with one of your own assists during sparking, that damage and all of the damage after it seems to be unscaled on their assist (and just their assist, their point takes normal damage).
I have Tien combos that are doing ~4900 damage to the point and killing a full health assist.
I bet people out there already know about this, but it’s entirely new to me and I haven’t seen anyone mention it.
Edit- there seems to a lesser but still increased effect if done outside of a sparking combo.
Anyone got video representation of the changes yet? Like all of them together?
EDIT: Found what I was looking for
You mean you try to frametrap a 1-2F+ situation? There are still many options for the defensive side. I can reflect your frametrap again, I can lvl3 you, I can dp you, I can call assist and block your frametrap and watch you eat my assist… etc
Vegeta’s assist nerf is definitely quiet big.
It is still very good to win neutral, cover your back of vanish attempt, monstruous combo extension, etc…
The problem is, the meta nowadays is all about getting free 50/50 when the opponent is in a blockstun. And this assist no longer allow that.
Piccolo players knows how deflecting Hellzone Grenade on Oki is affecting his gameplan.
Anyway, Vegeta is still totally viable.
But I really blame Arksys about there decisions. By nerfing half of the top contender, you are restraining diversity in competitive environment.
Last NLBC was all Cell, Kid Buu and almost no Vegeta.
Every team will have a Cell and most will have Kid Buu as well. The game will be more boring to watch for months until they patch it again.
Notes on happy birthday situations:
Though happy birthdays are relatively uncommon in this game, the reward for having optimized happy birthday combos is huge. Very easy to ToD an assist even at the start of game if you are able to recognize when your point scores a happy birthday situation.
Sparking on happy birthday seems to realign both character. They are both falling in the same spot. Surely why you have less chance to drop it.
50$ says this patch is a bandaid patch. It’ll tide everyone over for a while by addressing the “big problems” with a more indepth patch coming later. Stuff that’s harder to pinpoint what to hit like Cell and Kid Buu will be addressed down the line
Tbh aside from the bug fixes, I think this patch has made the game worse. Maybe 16 and vegeta assist deserved to be toned down, but nerfing these without touching cell/kid buu/bardock (or buffing low tiers) has further reduced the tiny semblance of team variety this game has.
Additionally, the way they nerfed them is rather strange, and doesn’t have me very confident about future balance patches.
yeah this felt more of a "placating to whining " patch than a truly thought about balance patch. It was bound to happen early in the game life cycle, maybe the next patch will focus more on specific issue instead of broad strokes. (That’s what i get from the lack of meaningfull buff to low/mid tiers anyway).
Like 16 was already fading out of the tourney scene but he got hit the hardest with the patch xD.
Anyway, as i said before, it’s better not to get set on a definitive team before the season 1 DLC are all released anyway.
This just happened today. I used Piccolos counter hit medium version special. It blocked the enemies Goku Black’s attack. While Piccolo was sliding down the air Black was spamming punch and beat me out. Oh, and out of 4 people I played today all were using Goku Black, and out of 12 characters 11 were saiyans, with the only exception being a lone Cell. Also got pink square and now people just insta decline matches. This game is so fucking dumb.