True that, at that point you may as well have sex with a woman with a beard. In fact, I would rather just do a guy with a beard before doing a woman with a beard. Not saying I would, but at that point it doesn’t even matter.
Real talk, someone I know who is nearly a textbook example of being masculine said he would do Selma Hayek if she had a beard.
That’s a no go for me as much as it is with most people about the genitalia.
I’m pretty sure Poison is originally a female
I would have sex with Zangief.
I thought it already confirmed that the FF creators made a Poison a “new-half” from the start…
Nope, she was considered female in the west just so people wouldn’t be enraged that kids were beating up women
Obviously, Joshkaz, obviously.
A little thing I have to get off my chest.
I really don’t like the word lesbian. I don’t know why it’s a word when you could just call them gay.
There is no special word for straight males or straight females or gay males or bi girls/guys and so on and so forth. I feel it’s a misnomer.
I understand there was an Isle of Lesbos in Greek Mythology, but I just don’t think the term stands well today. I find it unnecessary. Thoughts?
"According to the book All About Capcom Head to Head Fighting Games, the characters were originally planned to be normal females, but were changed to transsexual females (or more specifically “newhalfs”) due to the suggestion that “hitting women was considered rude” in America and the concern that feminist groups would sue. This was not enough and when the game was finally released in North America, Poison and Roxy were replaced entirely with male punk enemies called Sid and Billy"
No matter how much dick-juice you’ve spilt over her, no, she was drawn with a cock originally.
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He also just used tranny, not knowing the negative connotations involved.
Never heard of the term newhalf before
Its useful because its specific. Its about women, not men and women. It tends to be less helpful when you let your patten seeking human nature mindlessly group things together. Its intellectually lazy and leads to stereotypes that get taken seriously and can make things more complicated than originally intended.
Its a Japanese term. Go look it up
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futanari - NSFW
And no, Poison/Roxy were originally female, they were changed to newhalfs to dodge feminists, and finally were changed to men.
For all intents and purposes now, the character Poison is a newhalf(with her character dialogue typically mocking the controversy) iirc
But why does it need to be specific?
I would argue the term lesbian has more stereotypes than gay; lipstick lesbians, butch lesbians, “lesbian until graduation”, “I’m only a lesbian when drunk”
The term gay only has bears, twinks, both of these not many straight people (in my experience) even know about, and the typical super girly lispy gay man.
My point is there are going to be stereotypes in either case, the word itself isn’t really going to do anything with those stereotypes. The stereotypes proliferate themselves, it’s just easier for those characteristics to get latched onto a word, so why use one of the words if it does proliferate the stereotypes?
Humans tend to have a need to place things into boxes/categories that we can become familiar with. Helps us make sense of our world so to speak. Not saying anything as to the morality of it. It just seems we in the west tend to be really rigid about our categories, while eastern countries tend to be much more fluid.(though not always the case)
As far as this thread, I think our gender categories can still have use, as there ARE sex differences, and pretending these aren’t is feminist deception of the highest order. Yet when you consider intersexed people(I’m familiar with AIS from an anthro class), you can see our categories can’t be so rigidly defined. It makes how we view sexes more complicated, but doesn’t erase that there are differences. As far as how these are interpreted into gender roles, I personally don’t care for those. What I do care for is ignoring practical concerns in order to pander to feminist pipe dreams.(The aforementioned military example, as much as you scream about gender being a social construct, the reality of sex is that women typically do not have as much upper body strength as men. They also have serious health concerns that need to be taken into consideration when women soldiers go on long tours. At some point you have to consider what’s more important, your men’s lives and team efficiency or playing good for politicians who’re comfortably removed from the battlefield yet make important decisions affecting military policy.)
I suppose.
I guess it’s just a pet peeve of mine. I guess the only way I can deal is to call gay men male lesbians out of cynicism.
I would give Tilda Swinton the buisnessesis.
^Again, I’m not saying anything as to its moral values, its just something humans tend to do. As humans we want to feel safe, we want to understand our world, and categories help us do both. But seriously examining them(instead of frothing at the mouth about GENDERROLESGOBURN!!!), and looking at what they do for a specific society can help us reach a better understanding of why they’re there, and what to do about the negative consequences of them.
Another example of this category making is in how people, even children tend to self segregate. They’re not doing this out of malice or racism(usually), but to feel safe and be among something “familiar”, as you show them that the “other” isn’t something to be afraid of and is not as different from them as they think, they tend to get over that.
You mean the female David Bowie? 
JustB, I think this is largely where I solidified my idea of androgynes/androgens and androgyny in general are, which of course is subject to change.
"Note: Some people see “genderqueer” as a more consciously politicized version of the term androgyne, popularized by Androgyne Online, which is linked below. Androgynes are also people who identify as both man and woman, or as neither. “Androgyne” is synonymous to the more cumbersome “non-binary gender variant” or to “intergendered.”
Also, some questions about gender neutral terms. LBGT wiki entry below.
"How genderqueer people view gender as a whole and its relationship to themselves varies. Some genderqueer people view gender as acontinuumbetween man and woman, with the two traditional genders at the two poles and their own genderqueer place as somewhere within the continuum. Others believe there are as many genders as there are people. Still others believe that binary gender is asocial construct, and choose not to adhere to that construct. Some genderqueers do fit into the stereotypicalgender rolesexpected of theirsex, but still identify outside of that and reject a two-pole gendered system. Some genderqueers experience their gender asfluid, varying from day to day or year to year. Some genderqueer people reject any gender system as a valid method of classifying individuals.
Some genderqueers prefer to go by the conventional binary pronouns “he” or “she,” while others prefer gender-neutral pronouns such as “ze” and “hir” or singular “they” instead of her/his. Some genderqueer people prefer to have people alternate between he and she (and/or gender neutral pronouns) in reference to themselves, and some prefer to use only their name and not use pronouns at all."
This is from wikipedia below.
" Some genderqueer people prefer to usegender-neutral pronounssuch asone,ze,sie,hir,co,eyorsingular “they”, “their” and “them”, while others prefer the conventional binary pronouns"her" or “him”. Some genderqueer people prefer to be referred to alternately as he and she (and/or gender neutral pronouns), and some prefer to use only their name and not use pronouns at all.[12]"
So would it be wrong for me to use sie for someone with male sex/female gender and hir for someone with femalesex/male gender?
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I just want to say that I’ll never know what it’s like to be terrified on the level Raiinbow is.
Really, you’ll have to go to where the queers are to find these answers. Any and all terms that are come up with online are subject to change in different geographical regions and cultures.
In my experiences with various communities who are wanting to be more open and diverse, no one can seem to understand why there’s a cultural divide. Many times, I’ve heard things like “why won’t all the gay people come hang out with us? we’re inclusive of them” and “Why won’t any <insert not-white race here> people come? We want them here”.
When I answer them, they really don’t like what I have to say. I answer by asking why they haven’t gone to the people they’re wanting to be inclusive of. “Why don’t young homosexual hispanic men come hang out with older white heteronormative groups? Why don’t you go hang out with their groups? Why do they have to come to you? Do you spend any time with them outside the constructs of your social club?”
It forces people to think about their internalized phobias and racism in regards to those they claim to be open and accepting of. They want to be open and accepting, but they just aren’t yet and it shows. They want diversity to come to them instead of going out and putting themselves in other communities wherein they don’t have a sense of being in a place of power and they do have to be humble and to experience the vulnerability of being outside of their own comfort zone.
Every group does this. Every person does this. (I’ll allow that there may be exceptions, I just haven’t heard of or encountered them yet)
It’s all about the comfort zone and that zone pervades almost every aspect of our lives be it from the people we hang out with to staying in abusive relationships to the foods we eat etc. ad nauseum. People like the idea of something new and different. It’s very rare that they go and explore it, themselves.
What I’m getting at with all of this is that the more you expose yourself to different cultures and individuals in those cultures, the more you are able to pick up on the commonalities that all humans share by personally experiencing them through the veils of each individual’s life experience. Understanding and comfort with the diversity of others comes from exposing yourself to them and letting them strip away your personal needs and instead accepting them for all their wonder and beauty.
So, I few months ago, there was a family that made the news becasue they were not teaching their child which gender it should be. Does anyone thinks that’s fair? I understand giving someone choices, but genders do play a role in society that can’t be ignored.
Reminds me of the parents from Mission Hill on [adult swim] back when it was fairly new.
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It’s kinda weird honestly, the child could come out of it better off, or they could become totally screwed up from not having a gender, if they feel they need one.
It’s really not my place to say. I don’t have a kid.
True, but what about things like going to the bathroom and oh I don’t know… SEX? If I’m a male and I choose to be female because my parents didn’t teach me any better or I wasn’t smart enough to figure it out. Not only would I end up in jail for being a peeping Tom, but I’d also have to wonder why I’m not enjoying my daily rapings like I should.