The Gender /Orientation Thread

I honestly do not understand why people are against sexual reassignment surgery.

Human beings alter their physical appearance all the time from what is ‘natural’. We dye our hair, pierce our ears, tattoo our skin, enlarge our breasts, circumcise our penises, etc. And for the most part, those things are culturally accepted and in many cases encouraged.

And yet at some point the physical change seems to become ‘too much to be right’. Often, you will hear the phrase ‘it’s just not natural’. But if you want to get really technical, neither is trimming your toenails, cutting your hair, or shaving.

If people should have the right to alter anything in the natural world, shouldn’t you be able to alter your own body in a manner that brings you happiness?

What do you mean “our”?

Suddenly, it’s all falling into place.

The statement was about the collective ‘we’ of all humanity and I wanted an example of both sexes augmenting their body in a fashion that is in some way condoned.

Circumcising a penis is extremely common and in some cases strongly tied with religious beliefs.

Breast enlargement is also extremely common and strongly endorsed by popular media.

Here’s the thing, as far as gender is concerned. It’s a little less straightforward than a lot of people think. Gender and sex aren’t the same. Gender actually refers to a couple of different things - there’s gender performance and gender identity.

Gender performance is when you conform to the expectations of gender, and those goalposts are always moving. Girls wear pink, guys don’t drink fruity cocktails with little umbrellas in them out of curly straws, blah blah blah blah blah. Totally arbitrary rules, and changing from time to time, in place to place, from culture to culture.

Then there’s gender identity - basically, your deep-down sense of who you are. That’s something innate. For most it matches with their physical sex, for some it doesn’t, and this can be a terrible source of discomfort, and some people try to correct that as best they can. Seems a little strange that people should be criticized for seeking medical treatment for their problems. We don’t have condescending attitudes towards those who get their weak hearts repaired, even though it isn’t exactly ‘natural’ for them to have stronger hearts :stuck_out_tongue:

Now that first aspect of gender - the gender performance standards - historically, those have been used time and again to oppress people, control them (and note when I say people I primarily mean women)

One of the huge problems I have with a lot of radical feminists, for example is that they tend to pretend that gender, in the second sense, doesn’t exist.

They’re so busy fighting against gender in that first sense, the performance standards sense, ie the gender stereotypes sense (and often rightfully so, because it has been and continues to be a way that oppression maintains itself) that they seem to think that acknowledging the existence of the second kind in any way only serves to reinforce the first, which is totally flawed and illogical thinking. They’re different things entirely.

I would have to agree that foreplay adds a lot to a lady achieving an orgasm but vaginal sex is key in having multiple orgasms. The various hip angles and altering speed of thrusts can really spice it up for a lady.

Lol at not being able to get your woman off. Yeah, blame it on some fake bs you read on the internet and not your miniscule cock. Old diminutive dick having dude.

Please, please, please, please don’t make this topic about that.

Everytime it is mentioned it kills the momentum of a thread.

Was just an aside, wasn’t my main point. :slight_smile: I was trying to respond to those who seemed to have a problem with trans people. Didn’t know this topic had been covered before…

Yup, with BEWD and Matriach. It’s cool though, I know it was an aside, it’s just a thread monster black magic word.

Anyway, the book I’m reading has so far broken down sexual fetishes for males to be more along the type of fixating on or more body parts in specific in relation to bodies.

Gay man and heterosexual and homosexual females seemed were more apt to partake in S&M, and females in general seemed more apt to fetish over food. Both men and women seemed to fetish over objects. Everyday things like shoes, ties, laces, etc…

The book went further to explain that since female clothing is deemed more sensually provocative in general that women are all technically fetishists for enjoying clothing. I don’t agree with that, personally.

On the other side of a similar token, it went on to explain that men that fetish over women’s clothing fall into two categories.

Cross-dressers, who do it as a fetish, do it because they merely enjoy the clothing.With transvestites there is a sexual component to their attraction to the clothes, this is called eroticism, not to be confused with fetishism, which it usually is.

Maybe it’s cross-dressers that have the erotic component and transvestites with the fetish, I can’t remember or find it right now.

Historically, women cross-dress much less often to eroticize over men’s clothing, and more often to be seen, literally or figuratively as male to overcome their gender boundaries. A perfect example being a woman that dresses like a man to join the military back in the day.

I myself am much more interested in the the word fetish, than erotic.

Let’s look at the word’s history as provided by the book;

"The word ‘fetish’ derives from the Portuguese ‘feitico’, a name given to popular talismans in the middle ages- often illegal and/or heretical. The word subsequently developed in popular usage to mean fated, charmed, bewitched. Originally, the word ‘feitico’ came from the Latin (‘facticium’), which meant ‘artificial’, before it came to mean ‘witchcraft’. As William Pietz has identified, the Portuguese words more often used to designate witchcraft were ‘feitico’, ‘feiticeiro’ and ‘feiticaria’ and were part of the vocabulary of the fifteenth-century Portuguese who sailed to West-Africa’. Earlier accounts of daily life in Portugal in the Middle Ages, where Catholic religious ideas determined Christian witchcraft law, indicate a prior connection between witchcraft and fetishism.[…]

Goes on to explain that any item that you are extremely fond of could be considered a fetish.

That’s pretty much the only thing the word describes as a fetish~ an object, item or in an expanded sense, a part of the body… thing you have an extreme affinity for. It never seems to encompass actions or situations/conditions which a great amount of fetishes subscribe to. Which to me is odd, because of my own personal experience with them rarely being object/physically related, but powerfully so with conditions. I don’t mean like~ “I like this lots”, but more “This is a part of my entire sense of sexuality.” It’s as obsessive, hard wired and connected as any object-related fetish~ yet doesn’t count in its definition. I personally think the definition is extremely limited despite its etymology.

Because a lot of people that are against it believe it’s a mental issue and not a physical one, so to put someone through such an extensive, dangerous surgery that does nothing to correct the source of the problem is cruel and against the hippocratic oath. It is argued that transsexualism is a mental disorder similar to body dysmorphic disorder (anorexia, bulimia) and body identity integrity disorder.When the anorexic or bulimic weighs 90 lbs are they suddenly freed from thoughts that they are fat? No, because it’s a compulsive mental disorder that needs extensive psychological treatment. Many (I dare say ‘most’ in my personal experience) post op transsexuals remain unhappy and have the same suicide rate as transsexuals that never received surgery (20%).

Personally, I don’t care how people want to screw up their own bodies, just stop asking for government (taxpayer) hand outs to get it done.

Who said anything about not being able to get a woman off? I just said that most women do not have orgasms through vaginal stimulation, which is a fact. If you haven’t figured this out yet, I must ask, are you a virgin?

The G-spot isn’t very far into the vagina. Your dick would have to be like two inches long not to make it there.

Conversely, a dick that’s too long might bang into her cervix, and that’s only going to piss her off.

You’re talking about eroticism, not fetishism.

More like doesn’t piss her off in my case.

A guy must have no hip action if a girl cannot achieve an orgasm. Large/medium/smalll as long as your pipe is not micro size then orgasms could be achieve.

I have no hip action whatsoever. Everyone I have eye contact with reaches orgasm instantly.

EVERYONE.

It made dinner with the President fairly awkward.

LOL! Have you seen the movie " The Men Who Stare at Goats" By the power of my stare I can summon you an orgasm!

Why not? It is a matter of experience versus no experience. If you have not tried to see it from another perspective, then you will never know what it is like. You may end up liking a bit of make-up…it happens, big deal, no-one cares. If you smoke, have you ever wondered why you smoke? Have you ever wondered why you care so much about someone elses nether-regions? The latter has always bugged me about some opinions, of which, you need not have to share.

What some people miss is that, whilst there may be categories, they are only there to classify an identity. It is perfectly OK to be fluid in what you do as a person and not segregate yourself to a role…the experiences will show you many more pathways to living and finding the things you want.

Though on the issue of SRS, I am not big on it on the level that one should not need to change their sex, unless certain aspects of their birth sex effect how they feel about themselves. I know if I have it I will not change a damn thing as I am happy with who I am first and foremost. Some transpeople I think are ‘bullied’ into it. It does not have to be a necessity.

Of course, when the time comes when the sex drive can be utterly remapped, the world will change in a massive way I believe.

Besides, I have heard a bunch of women that have said that there is no way they would want to live like guys. I think some guys in this regards would be too scared to say anything because guys generally do not tell people how they feel, unless it was 255% confidential (this is learnt not, you were born not to say shit to people) :stuck_out_tongue:

I find this kind of silly to say because you are dressing as a ‘common man’ should and if you were not - say you were dressed as a woman, then you would be mentally unstable, on the basis that according to how you think, it is wrong.

Funny how things work out that way, eh? :smiley:

This is true. I tell a lot of people that they need to be happy with who they are to make the steps they need to progress…and this means doing anything, it does not have to be gender related or anything. You will make friends. You will make enemies. Just a fact of life.

Transwomen offer differing features to that of a ciswoman…I am sure that if you noticed an attractive looking woman who used to be male, then things may be slighly different (you would not engage in a relationship because of who you are obviously). If it clicks that they are a transperson to you, then you will act according to your own rules. This is not decided by anyone else’s special rulebook…only you. The same applies to any women you see - some women you will talk to, some you will not for whatever reason.

I am always intrigued by a transperson though I do not want to be in a proper relationship with one. Many can look quite striking with differening features. I guess I love the differences in everyone more than anything.