Wait, so wearing a wig and makeup is supposed to make a person more mentally stable?
I don’t understand what that wall of text is supposed to be conveying.
This is probably the only thing angelpalm sees in his head when thinking of transsexuals. 
Besides angelpalm, as Kenshiro once said, “You’re already dead.”
Being treated like their target gender helps a lot with mental stability, yes. Not sure how comfortable you’d be, existing how you do now~ being called a girl, treated like a girl and not allowed to do things normally allowed to guys because the world sees a girl. Screaming to high heaven won’t help. Who cares. Dress up like a guy all you want. Doesn’t matter.The wig is bullshit. That’s like asking a paraplegic if putting on a prosthetic makes him feel like ‘complete’ human. Fuck no. It’s a fake leg. He knows that. It helps him walk though. It helps him get the fuck up in the morning and function as a human being. He could just be happy with a damn wheelchair. It’s not how he wants to live his life.
Expressing as their target gender is the person just wanting to live their life without being crippled… as best as they can. Makeup is a crutch even on ciswomen~ people want to be beautiful, accepted, treated like they should be treated. It’s a vehicle to the same end~ but it’s all bullshit when put up against the very basic need to simply be the gender your head tells you you are~ for some, it’s as simple as taking hormones and calling it a day and wearing wtf they want. Mentally stable? Therapy will do that, hormones will help, friends will do better~ everything else is just trying to exist as you are. All the dressing up is just expression, because for whatever fucking reason they hold YOU in enough esteem as to care about what you think. Besides, not all transsexuals wear wigs, wtf you get that from? lol
So what you are saying is basically people need external validation in order to feel comfortable with their own self created image?
Isn’t that most people? I mean, I know a dozen people who just go out in jeans and a wife beater. Cis and trans alike~ some prefer looking somewhat aesthetically pleasing, especially women, who~ you know, want to be with someone, or not get scoffed at. Enjoy their lives publicly. Maybe they like to club, hang out~ go to the mall. Sure. External validation, presentation is~ … well it’s kind of a pretty basic social construct. I think it’s more than just legality that keeps people from just going out naked, so I really don’t get what you’re trying to say here. Elaborate a bit?
Wow, that style of posting is really fucking aggravating on the eyes. Total opposite of aesthetically pleasing lol.
All I know is that if you go through your whole life looking to make yourself happy through what other people say(especially ppl you don’t even know) you are gonna have a tough time. If you don’t start being happy with yourself to begin with it doesn’t matter how many chumps patronize you by calling you Miss.
This is a valid point, specs mentioned earlier that he wonders if less people would get sex change operations and/or hormone therapy if our culture was more open to the idea of genders beyond the Gender Binary. I do as well.
That being said, people that dress more like gender benders could arguably be more comfortable in their skin so that they don’t have to contribute to the Gender Binary. At the same time, I’m sure there would still be people that want the opposite genitalia for purely sexual reasons rather than aesthetic reasons. Until our culture is more open to things like this it will be much harder to get more statistical data as to exactly why people get sex changes or change their appearances at all.
Of course it’s draining to want EVERYONE to accept you, but that isn’t really the crux of the issue. The crux of the is issue is that most people don’t accept who they are in the first place on a level that goes beyond purely conceit or something similar you may be getting at.
Not going to really disagree there on being happy with ones self-image. Ego is a big topic even outside of gender~ but I wouldn’t call someone a chump or patronizing just because someone acknowledges what a person’s gender. Not everyone is concerned with genitalia until it comes time to have sex. But, yeah~ it’s not an easy time for a lot of them. Some really, don’t care how they appear to you~ and just want to be happy.
Don’t really know you or who you know, but I can’t think of any of the transpeople I know as anything than their identified gender… not sure what your experiences have been. Sorry you don’t like the posting style, works fine everywhere else~… my bad I guess.
May I ask what the tilde is for, or signifies other than looking pretty? haha
To an extent, but this perspective I think is completely revolving around expression rather than identity~ which is a hugely physical thing. It’s a psychological disparity with oneself. It’s not really as simple as people being more open. Many ARE open~ and transpeople still deal with shit on a deeply personal level. The whole world could be accepting, or patronizing, or whatever one wants to coin it. Until one feels they can live as their gender for themselves, it’s going to be a nightmare.
Thailand is pretty damn open to transpeople in general and they’re still in abundance, for both genders. There tends to be less in closed environments~ but they still exist. Whether they transition or not is the issue. You’ll never get real statistics on this issue because you’re only going to really be able to count the people who had the balls to cut them off in the first place. lol
Though I wonder what a transperson would be like had they been born on like, an island, alone with no other gender to compare themselves to~ and see how their thought processes are then. Probably like a lot of trans kids, confusing as hell, with no real point of reference since they don’t have a concept of gender in their reality yet.
My way of not boring the hell out of people with a ton of commas, I guess. Was hammered into me when I was in school as people seemed to like it in texts. xD
What level is that?
The whole acceptance doesn’t come in until people observe the behavior. It’s simple cause and effect. There is nothing mysterious about a man not wanting to treat another man as a woman. What is strange like you said is for a person that clearly has an attraction to the same sex, needing to identify as the opposite sex in order to validate their attraction. I can see why some gay people would have an issue with this, kinda like these people are saying they don’t accept their homosexuality so they try to find away around it by claiming to have always been a woman. Maybe so Gays find it disrespectful?
You lost me on that one.
I personally don’t really want to treat anyone other than how they tell me they want to be treated. If a male wants to be treated like a female, or a female wants to be treated like a male, then I do so, because I respect them for who they are before I gender roles get in the way of things. I’m not saying you don’t have respect for people that don’t act male or female enough, I’m just telling you where I’m coming from.
If gay people find it disrespectful that’s their own issue, not the person in question’s issue.
Also, being attracted to the same sex is not the same as being attracted to the same gender.
Lesbians are attracted to other women, obviously, but the more female of the two would clearly be femmes and the more male of the two would be butches.
That being said it’s perfectly reasonable for a lesbian to be attracted to her own gender, or the opposite gender of that orientation.
The same can be said for gay men in the case of bears and twinks.
Whether other’s agree with me that femmes and twinks are more on the feminine side of gender and butches and bears are more on the masculine side of gender, to the point of possibly being their own gender is debatable. This is more of the realm of personal opinion until perhaps an authority on the subject matter can clarify.
I’ve met some gay guys that have said this, but I think it’s a pretty common consensus from anyone that’s met a transperson that it’s not like they’re dodging having to be in a same sex relationship. I really can’t see someone like Kayopolice able to have a ‘gay’ relationship and still be who she is with a guy, had she never transitioned. I don’t think people would see her the same way, or she’d be paired with the kinds of straight guys every other woman would be interested in.
You bring up something that has always kind of confused me though, because being bi~ I HAVE noticed a difference between going out with a guy who likes you for being a guy, or a guy who likes you because you’re a girl. There’s a completely different emotional dynamic, but it’s not like I’ve got a ton of experience dating around.
I don’t know how weird it would be for a girl to be in a relationship with a guy who sees her as a dude to be honest. Most gay guys I know don’t even see transwomen as viable partners, regardless of how they express aesthetically.
I’m a heterosexual male. What I cannot find an explanation for is, I am not attracted to transgender women, just to clarify in case I got the incorrect term, men who have been physically altered to be women (MtF).
I haven’t had a blind taste test sort of study, so I cannot be sure of course, but I cannot figure out if it is environmental or internal.
Any opinions?
I don’t feel like these people are bad, I will continue to be friends and hang out if I like her, but for some reason, no physical attraction. Maybe it has to do with some urge to make babies and I know this person cannot? We could adopt, but same thing applies with my soon to be wife. We can and want to have a baby together, but why not adopt? This must be some natural urge. This urge is not fulfilled by a person who is a MtF. shrug
You just sound like you’re purely heterosexual to me, then again I may consider someone who would be with a post op MTF as purely heterosexual as well.
Legitimate concern~ it really is. However, if you were in a relationship with a girl who was naturally unable to have kids due to some abnormality, would you kick her to the curb? I know a lot of guys who couldn’t be in this situation (family is important), so not judging you for this.
Believe me, there are a ton of MTF women who have a hard time with this too, especially when in a relationship. It’s not easy, for any woman to know they’ll never have kids~ most don’t think about it because they have other issues to deal with like school and shit, but the road is eventually crossed in a long relationship, and it sucks.
On the short term I’ve never had to deal with it, e.g. I date some woman and she says I am unable to have kids, but would be interested in adopting later in life. I cannot say for sure whether I would end it or not. Relationships are way more complicated than that anyways. As I think while typing, if I am really attracted to her and she’s an all around badass, I don’t think it would matter all that much while dating.
On the long term, I suppose it wouldn’t matter. Let’s say the doctor says, it’s not safe for your wife to have children (we cannot know this until pregnancy). We’d obviously adopt if we still wanted a child. I’ve already made my relationship and it’s going to be fine on my end. We will definitely have to talk it out and help each other overcome the potential emotional stress from not being able to have a baby together. It could come as quick a shock in fact.
There is a benefit to MtF, no periods.
Maybe it’s just personal taste, if the ‘right’ MtF woman came around, I might be attracted to her. It’s just I haven’t run into one yet.
Another thing is I really enjoy it when my partner orgasms during vaginal sex. I was reading that in fact MtF can and normally are expected to be able to have orgasms from vaginal stimulation as well as clitoral stimulation. In fact the way I was reading it described was very much the same as how I’ve read women describe orgasms. Very interesting, seeing as men are all about explosion for about 6 seconds. I wonder if a man can experience this same feeling without sex change ;p. searching
A couple of things, hetero males are are disgusted by men being sexual with other men. I’m not talking about being homophobic or unaccepting of gays, I’m talking about the awful visceral reaction you get when you accidentally wander into the gay section of the porn store (you get a similar feeling if you imagine your parents having sex). Again this reaction has nothing to do with not being “openminded” or some bullshit like that, it’s the way we evolved and is ingrained in our biology so there’s nothing we can do about it.
The vast majority of mtf trans still have many uniquely male features, so not being attracted to them is natural for a heterosexual male. For the trans that look very female, there’s still the idea that a couple of months ago a dork swung between those legs and this is enough to turn most men off. Now a lot of males can be tricked by a mtf that looks exactly like a female, but if you ever find out…
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During the mtf surgery the surgeon basically augers out the taint, turns the penis inside out and stuffs it in there. The orgasm they experience is the same every other male experiences. To change that you’d have to significantly change the way the central nervous system works, which is impossible. Besides, most women don’t have orgasms through vaginal sex anyway (and an even smaller percentage can have multiple orgasms), so if you are looking for that then, percentage wise, your chances would be better with a mtf trans.
I guess I scored the lottery with my soon to be wife then.
Tanner, that may account for my lack of attraction to MtF.
I also didn’t realize such a high percentage of women simply do not achieve orgasms during vaginal sex. I knew of course certain things help, massage (relax), clitoral stimulation before vaginal sex, and exploring positions. I was surprised to learn how evenly distributed it was between women who almost always and those who may never have achieved vaginal orgasms.
That’s all that’s stopping me 
Hell, there’s been a few times where it didn’t stop me