The Gem System Thread

Dimitri_Lionheart · October 16, 2011, 12:52pm

I really did not know where to post this here or in the Pandora mode thread but…

The most positive thing ive thought of for the gem use is to beef up Pandora mode…think there is a Chip damage modifier Gem? >_>;

Swmystery · October 16, 2011, 3:46pm

So, just to check I understand this correctly:

We can opt at any point to not use Gems, meaning it’s easy for tournaments/casual versus matches with friends to play without this system, but as of yet there are no plans for a strict “No Gems” mode (i.e. where neither player can use them) for online/offline? Or do we not know on that front? I’ve no issue with the Gems in principle- though I dislike how Capcom’s handling the marketing (exclusive pre-order Gems? Gems- most likely better Gems- as paid DLC?)- but I do want to be able to choose whether they’re on or not for online play. It would be awful if you’re forced into using them whenever you play online because you can’t prevent your opponent from picking them.

Genistar · October 16, 2011, 4:42pm

I’m sure we will be able to turn them off online.

Maxwell755 · October 16, 2011, 7:08pm

Sounds like gems work the same way as UMVC3’s new mode. And they both sound a lot like the sticker album from Subspace Emissary from Brawl. Only non-passive. So most likely an option for certain modes, and the standard for story mode.

Edit : Also to add. Since both UMVC3 and Street Fighter x Tekken are both getting hand-held versions. More laid back modes are necessary for that platform.

Psychoblue · October 16, 2011, 8:54pm

From the UMVC3 Discussion thread when comparing Gems to Heroes and Heralds…

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Psychoblue:

How do you know that? How do you know the gem system won’t have similar instances of creativity? All we saw was a barebones example explained in idiot terms this weekend. No one has played a build with the gem system yet so we don’t really know how easy or broken it is. We just all jumped to conclusions and fear for the worst. We also don’t know what kind of setbacks there are with using the gems (with auto-block, it costs one bar of meter to block just one attack, so people who rely on it as a substitute for blocking will get lit up by block strings).

Gems might also have stuff like parrying, fireball invulnerability, or whatever else was shown with this UMVC3 trailer. WE DON’T KNOW YET. Hell, this gem system might turn into a new way of creating your own groove if there’s a point limit system on certain gems. But all I see if needless decrying and panicking over something new and untested.

I really don’t understand why people think Capcom is dumb.

CitizenCIA · October 16, 2011, 11:19pm

Psychoblue mirrors my thoughts exactly. All we’ve seen are 2 very situational damage boost gems, and the auto block auto tech. I’m really looking at this as a create an ism system more then trying to meet requirements to get 10% more damage for 6 seconds.

DA_Turtle · October 17, 2011, 12:03am

anyone know if there actually will be some form of customization similar to tekken? (different colors, clothing, and other misc stuff)

Jamp · October 17, 2011, 12:04am

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Interview with S-Kill on the Gem system. Although he’s still being quite vague, he does mention that “everyone will have acess to the same set of tools”.

Genistar · October 17, 2011, 12:34am

Maybe they are still thinking about wether Gems will be DLC or not.

KumaOso · October 17, 2011, 12:34am

After thinking about it some more and reading some posts, I’m actually excited about the Jem System. I can give my mixup teams more power or more defense on my characters, making my dynamic duo super dynamic. That being said, I’d like to see there be a Jem-less mode (but Poison is allowed) just in case the whole thing goes down the crapper.

yes · October 17, 2011, 1:07am

gems are prob going to be retarded, i was kinda hyped for em a little but now with auto block and auto teck… put em both on and pick a grabbing character…

i guarantee that in a month we will all be using the same sets of gems per character, with like a few switch ups.

jaiwhite205 · October 17, 2011, 2:03am

If you ask me, the Gem system seems really interesting. I’m going to remain optimistic for it because I actually like the idea of having a character play the way I want them to. I’m actually a fan of these personalization kind of things.

Vyomesh · October 17, 2011, 2:47am

Do remember that stuff like that cost a meter.
So it might SEEM super imba and retarded, but it will cost them a meter, and it happens automatically.

You could potentionally break their meter by throwing out a dummy throw so his autotech gem activates and you burn away his meter, causing him unable to do EX/Super Art/Cross Art…

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I can’t believe I’m saying this…but it does sound somewhat…neat…

Jamp · October 17, 2011, 2:51am

Exactly. You’ll know when their gems are activated, so you can either ignore them or force them into burning meter.

The only issue that needs to be sorted out is the DLC shenanigans. Aside from that, it sounds like a really cool system.

Vyomesh · October 17, 2011, 2:57am

Yeah. If the DLC gems are just saving you the time to unlock the gems its cool.

caliagent_3 · October 17, 2011, 3:13am

REALPLAYER:

people just don’t like new ideas. they’re like fighting game conservatives…too scared of innovation.
i like the idea of gems. they’ll help mitigate a teams (and players) weaknesses in addition to adding to their strengths while adding an interesting ''pick whats more valuable to you" element to the matchups, leaving it up to the player to decide.

and smh at people complaining about the auto-block/auto tech gem. isn’t that gem designed to aid you with cross assault (? whatever the 2 vs 1 mechanic is called)? seems obvious. if your opponent uses that gem at any other point during a match, then they run the risk of getting outright owned when they’re being sandwiched and mixed up/unblockabled till they’re cold. i’m pretty sure capcom dev team has played the game enough to understand how that particular situation can be difficult to deal with and extremely powerful and extremely FREQUENT.

as for the other powerups, i personally haven’t heard/read enough about them, so i can’t specifically comment on them. but at least it seems like they’ve covered all the important bases (damage, speed, defense, meter, and your partner). i’ll say this though, it doesn’t seem like you’re in complete control of WHEN the gems activate, but rather they have their own activation subsystem. i don’t prefer setting the gems in anticipation of a match as opposed to choosing when they get used DURING the match…or did i misunderstand how they work?

in any case, this will be a capcom game first iteration title, so you gotta expect new juice to keep the new game feeling…NEW. unfortunately, historically new mechanics in capcom games come along with at least some kinks before they’re perfected (re:improved), regarless, i’d rather have fresh concepts instead of the same cookie-cutter systems we’re used to over and over again. so i’m optimistic. can’t wait to hear more.

edit:“assist” gem is autoblock. i thought that would be defense gem. so what does defense gem do exactly? less damage taken? armor on moves?

I totally agree, new game should mean new mechanics. I was absolutely uninterested in this game until i saw this thread. I think the whole gem thing will actually make the game worth playing and not boring.

BiGGDaddyCane · October 17, 2011, 3:17am

Gems will add variety in the game no doubt. For the good or for the better were gonna have to wait and see.

jaiwhite205 · October 17, 2011, 3:36am

I dont agree with DLC gems. I mean, the preorder gems are enough. Hopefully you can unlock the gems from in game. IMO, if there HAVE to be dlc gems, make em free. If not, let it be

Onemanarmada · October 17, 2011, 3:38am

The whole game is starting to look really awkward, I cant believe I was hype for this at some point.

From a business perspective though, I can respect the decisions Capcom is pulling of with this one. It seems their going with the Riot games strategy of integrating game play tightly with DLC purchases. For anyone who does not know what that is ; the gem system is looking to be very similar to the way you can boost your heroes in League of Legends.

That in mind we will probably see a handful of usable free gems and a set of variably priced gems that are gonna be significantly better, based on how much cash you are willing to throw ofcourse.

Its kind of brilliant to bring in this kind of a potential cash cow with the new fighting game boom, It takes alot of integrity away from the scene sure but hey maybe Skullgirls will be better.

Psychoblue · October 17, 2011, 3:38am

Like all pre-order DLC, I imagine they’ll eventually get released for those who didn’t pre-order it. I’m going to assume that the pre-order gems are going to be along the lines of System Direction rather than the individual stat changes. If so then they’ll be banned from tournament play.