Great debate, thanks for starting it. Here’s how to run a real tournament, for a great game, with nice people all behaving like the adults that they are:
http://unequalledmedia.com/segacupeurope2013/groups
With the Capcom scene now, I fear it’s just gonna get worse… I’m glad I played those wonderful games in the 90’s, but now I’ve moved on. Fuck the idiots.
You seem to be confusing “broke niggas” with “broke ass niggas”. You broke niggas go to locals. Us broke ass niggas have regressed to online only.
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Whoa, accusations of cheating are included in shit-talking? That seems like an entirely different category to me. It’s a little more like Markman saying some players colluded and a little less like FChamp calling some players frauds. In any case, your information seems to be highly outdated. The commentary and tone of competitive MtG is so family friendly that it crosses over into campiness:
[/quote]A couple of cute little thread links do not erase the realities of M:TG over the past 20 years, and Pertho is basically this site’s authority on the game.
How can the “FGC” lose a sponsorship?
A sponsorship is either for a player or an event or whatever. A “community” can’t get “sponsored”.
Someone or something in the community getting sponsored is still a sponsorship within said community. When said sponsorship or potential sponsorship is no longer there, that is how the community loses a sponsor.
Man, I just wanna play fighting games with my friends.
The rest of this stuff is bullshit.
I assume Pertho is talking about Team Academy, which is a shining example of shit talk from the MtG community. I know the guys involved with that site and worked for them for a few years. Before StarCityGames (the SRK of Magic) was the SCG of today, TA and SCG had quite the relationship. TA would basically blow apart bad Magic articles and insult the authors in a very, very extreme manner. TA was sort of a proto-NeoGAF/poverty chat that was really the only site that shined a light on players behind the scenes with a collection of AIM chats/IRC logs/rants/tourney stories etc. It was pretty juvenile, but honestly rather tame compared to your average stream chat. At any rate, the main guy behind TA went on to write for SCG itself and started his own wholesale Magic business, and now is married with kids. I have to say though, that side of Magic has been dead for eons. At least ten-fifteen years. Guys like PTR and Team Academy just don’t exist anymore. Wizards is very proactive about cheating/collusion, as well as policing the antics of players - you can get banned from official Magic tournaments for life. Will it take something like that for the FGC to step its game up? I’m not sure, but the Magic community without a doubt fosters more intelligent discussion and has fewer negative elements to it when compared to the FGC. That’s neither here nor there, but it limits the potential growth of fighting game tournaments and prize pools re: sponsors. Given that the FGC does not have a) a centralized structure nor b) a for-profit monolithic company that directly controls events, it has a much different culture that is very resistant to change.
So basically something that has zero effect on you and me…
So what happened on the Fray last night?
I wasn’t around to listen to it live.
Directly, probably yea. Indirectly, there probably would be some effects.
I hope this helps to get this discussion going, or keeps it going to be more accurate. Its a complicated issue and anything written completely from one side tends to get drowned out by negative comments from the other side, and then shouting back and forth. Thank you to everyone who took the time to read it, or share it with other people, I was actually pretty surprised to see this show up on my FB feed.
I’m trying to motivate myself to stop procrastinating and finally finish my website, so I said I’m going to put three articles in FGD this month and see what happens. Hopefully if people find what I’m writing to be good or helpful I’ll actually get around to finishing my homepage.
Btw, step it up 
Even Chris G shared it on Facebook.
I’ve been playing MtG since 1996, first casually and then competitively. I’ve also judged all kinds of events from weekly FNM to as big as a Grand Prix (I handled approximately 640 players at that event, IIRC). I’ve got a pretty good handle on what I’m talking about. Even at its worst (MtG players may remember Team Academy) it was fairly tame compared to an average stream chat. That was a long time ago. Nowadays? Fuhgeddaboutdit. You don’t even have to take my word for it. Here’s a bunch of links to premier coverage as well as popular discussion forums:
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/
Just look through those things. Peruse the topics. Skim the videos. Read some articles. I’m not even saying that the behavior of the FGC is unacceptable. As a whole I think the FGC still falls within acceptable social norms, but the MtG community is on a far tighter leash compared to the FGC. Players can’t act out in this community, because bans can and do happen:
https://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dci/suspended
This is what happens when you pop off in an MtG event (https://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=sideboard/wir/20030611):
Basically, the current MtG community is already what the FG community is afraid it’ll turn into someday (because e-sports).
Not gonna lie: I talk hella shit at my FNMs, saturday tournaments and whenever we are playing in general. Talking shit (and the overall fun atmosphere that it creates when it done properly) takes a lot of the edge off. ukyo_rulz, we can move this conversation to PM if you’d like. There are some valid comparisons to be made between M:TG and FGC but it isn’t fit for this topic.
I will say this though: you are severely downplaying how much shit talking went on in M:TG. But the amount of downplaying you are doing in M:TG is about how much it gets exaggerated for the FGC. People assume that we pop off after every random game. Shit talking in this community is overblown by quite a bit. Its more acceptable than other games (creative shit talking more than just straight insulting but a different topic altogether), but not the wild west of unruly behavior.
I don’t really see what’s so bad about what’s going to happen if the fgc gains some real accountability. It’s not like popping off is any fun for the players themselves. That’s for the audience, and if memory serves me right, that’s the same audience that has gotten the fgc mentioned in shun articles like kotaku’s.
Those Magic tourneys don’t look bad at all. People playing the games they wanted to play and not jumping around the stage like fucking monkeys. What exactly is the problem? You’re being payed to play video games, can’t you at the very least enjoy it and not have to treat it like what you’re actually doing is shooting a rap video? Majority of the people playing these games, competitively or not, wouldn’t want some idiot yelling in their face, flicking off caps after a win.
As for colluding, the issue with that is that it lends itself to a much greater competitive culture that could, in time, lead to something a bit more dangerous. If people know that money is switching hands and in large numbers, we are going to get a lot more shady types in the community joining in simply to be a part of the exchange. I for one do not think Marcellus Wallace looks like a bitch. I am scared of Marcellus Wallace.
No one has to lie. No one has to take anyone’s word for anything. I’ve linked to a lot of material. People can follow the links and make up their own minds. Personally I think the difference is obvious.
I’m so lost, so what sponser was lost? Has that information been released yet?
The more sponsorships lost the better, the scene is a mess for those that love how the scene started. In another 15 years when the arcade generation will be a total long gone memory. Then try again… Right now the scene is a mixed bag of old heads who founded the scene with dedication and love for the game and no interest in making a living off of it, with the new blood and stream monster that all think they have business and marketing degrees.
Combine that with older players that are getting chump changed thrown at them for playing games no one know where they want to be.
Anytime companies
:tup:
Random side note… You mentioned a few words…
I think too many people that don’t matter have too many opinions that are taken too seriously.
But I’m not getting into specifics… Frankly, because I don’t really care.
This post isn’t meant to be taken seriously, btw. 