The End of a "Empire"?

Serious?

Ok. How do I start this. Ok… go to a interview in what the hell you want. They are offering a job and monetary payout in return for your skills you have to offer. I want you do to this and note the facial expression from the person interviewing you and I would like you to note the time you hear back. No serious I want you to do this cause its a perfect parable. Yes even for a video game company.

I stated no power glove cause its looks childish. Non professional. You can dress up and play the part afterwards. I have been in plenty of meetings involving money and transactions and not once (entertainment level and corporate level) have I seen the ‘casual format’ let alone accessories pertaining to a video game. We are dealing with money. I need to see some seriousness in your approach (let alone the approach when questioned an believe his was awkward).

Ok shervin, be honest with me right now. You offered me a contract to help advertise your product for street fighter yet I come into your meeting that will involve contracts, finance, notary and others to make it legal binding and I walk into your meeting with a terry bogard outfit with SNK blatantly on the hat. Yet you and your affiliates are business casual at the LEAST. How do you look at me?? How do you feel amongst your constituents that you’ve just stated you wanted to do business with??

You used rap and wonder if it was the times. you know what a classic JayZ line was to angie martinez on a interview:

Angie: Wow jay you look might daper today all suit an tie

Jay: Hey gettin ready to meet the people with the money… gotta be serious 100

Angie: I know thats right…

^^^^
I will really find that for you if you really want me to. Again, I have no problem with him rockin it to the tournaments (like rappers n they street gear wit videos) but when it comes to really presenting yourself you ‘change it up’ to show the seriousness. I believe a poster above noted how suddenly our EVO announcers went shirt and tie (which i thought was awesome too)…hmmmmm wonder why?

Wow, I must’ve missed out on that. Well glad the person blogged on it. I’ve heard so many stories and 1st person accounts I must say a lot is adding up. Yet as I said in the thread about the movie we can only wait for members to speak their mind (which none seem to do unless its in a private/casual setting). Not putting him on blast but he has essential called it quits and I would like to see the communities thoughts an opinions.

Wait… I was saying the glove is a BAD idea in business meetings… Did I misread what you were saying about the glove?? I thought you said it was fine because thats his shtick.

There is no market for fighting games & their players. Although popularity has risen, I believe the ceiling has almost been reached. I do not really see e-sports as a legitimate profession, and if so, only for the top 5%. In fighting games, I would say the top 1%. Even then, I believe a lot of the players only have short-term goals and vision, which clouds their decision-making and hurts their future (long-term). As an ex-top-player and player who was invited to join the empire, one must understand and evaluate why you’re playing games to begin with. Nobody starts playing sf competitively for money or fame and definitely not for girls. You play the games because they’re fun and you like competition. Capitalizing off your hobby is great, if you can do it, but its unrealistic to think you continue doing it for a long time, while you’re marketability in the real world diminishes. Any income from e-sports/sponsors/tournaments should be a subsidiary income AT BEST. It’s sad to see players from back in the day still playing games and not having progressed in life.

I think all of the players who strive to accomplish the goal of sponsorship should realize what that really entails. Not too long ago all of the local, and even national tournaments, had the same 300-500 people every year as the core competitors and supporters. There are simply are not that many people entering the fighting game tournaments to create sustainable income from tournament winnings/sponsorships. Even with streaming and the ability to reach larger audiences, one should still remember that only the top 3 (or top 8) are being paid, and with more competition comes more variance. And more variance means you have a smaller chance of making it to the top 3-8. Additionally, at the highest levels, what separates the good from great is talent and experience. Talent isn’t equally distributed when it comes to games, and having it and not-having it can create a large chasm in skill level and performance. Not to mention, those with the most high-level tournament experience tend to perform better at the grandest stages and the clutchest moments. It was not easy to make top 8 in 2002 and I’m sure it has only become harder in 2012.

A lot of players need to contextualize where fighting games fit in the larger scheme of e-sports and their lives. In the end, it is still a hobby and should be treated as one. They should bring some sense of joy when you engage in them. Some hobbies are more profitable than others, fighting games being the latter. Players should always promote their own interests over that of a company, and the game(s) should ALWAYS be fun. When you lose the fun aspect to your hobby, you lose sight of why you started.

-Nottr

Wearing the glove to a *business *meeting? C’mon man, that’s the equivalent of some kid who opened the door to my store and yelled, “Yo, are you guyz fucking hiring?”

Nope, ain’t fucking hiring.

Whoa, whoa whoa…are you serious? I thought he did that at tournaments in the spirit of the things, or just to be a little bit promotional but he walked into actual real business meetings wearing a power glove?? serious?

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I don’t think it makes that much difference. Over here the soccer commentators and pundits don’t get dressed up in suits - they do look smart/casual however, so I agree with the meaning of the point, even if I don’t agree with it in its entierity.

This is only as it should be, and exactly as it is in other sports - only the top atheletes get the chance to perform at the big money championships, same in swimming, same in football, soccer, etc. etc. Gaming in general is becoming more acceptable - from my days as a card gamer (not poker), I can tell you that I know more than a few people who made a lifestyle choice to make money out of the games they played - I still know someone whose only job is to go to national and international card competitions and bring home winnings of laptops, cards and other paraphenalia to sell. He is good enough at the game to accomplish this, but only because there’s enough cash in the game to be able to pull it off.

So long as the bottom doesn’t fall out of the economy any time soon, I foresee that gaming will become more and more acceptable, and will end up being something approaching the sport of tomorrow [not to say that there won’t be sports - heaven forbid!] That doesn’t mean that Triforce’s business plan will work - he would need most of the best players in one conglomerate, so that they’re always bringing the money in - even though the best guys do consistently well, as Ryan Hart pointed out - the double elim format potentially doesn’t give you enough games to make the best of it, and guarentee that payday.

naaah, video games have a lot of opportunity to grow. especially if these lockout fall through! :smiley:

Think how long competitive gamings been around compared to sports. Its just gonna take time
I know I would want a channel dedicated to competitive gaming and show casing the best outside of street fighter (especially since most tv shows sucks or the availability of them via Netflix)

it would be cool to see so I don’t wanna lose hope for it is all… Plus many “gamers” need a sweet name or gimmick cuz they ain’t got no alibi (u-g-l-y) haha or lack personality and that Charisma for companies to profit from, outside of the products ya diig?

IMO, theres to many games and people wanna compete in allll of them, its like competing in every sport!

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hahaha i didn’t know he wore the glove to meetings. still though, not gonna hate on the guy. he was a little weird and stuff, but he had passion. hope he can learn from his mistakes and do great things to advance esports.

i have worn casual to 100% of my interviews, and when I’m the one interviewing others I seriously could not care less wtf they are wearing. with that being said, if someone wore a power glove to an interview, i’d wonder if they were trolling me.

Potter is 100% right. I think a lot of people are fucking insane to think that SF is gonna be big business (or should be, for that matter), ever.

lmao, ARE YOU BATMAN DUuuuDE?
i would wonder if they were on drugs and/or if the buttons did stuff… and hire them under the title of keeper of the grove xD

Nah youngblood. Look back. If he wants to wear it to a tourny, outside gatherings cool do you. Business is business and i am business first always, especially with money. Now wearing such items into a business meeting or any oddity that doesnt reflect professinal/serious situation…hell to the no.

Oh yo, I was just joking about the whole no snitchin business, lol.

There you have it, SRK. Lock up the topic. No snitchin.

Big business? Probably not. But to flat out say it will never catch on or get bigger is retarded. Ton of bars across north america are starting to have regular gaming tourneys (look up Barcraft), and tv stations/channels are showing esports. Hell just look at Koreans filling stadiums for Starcraft.

If poker on tv can do what it did, don’t say fighting games have no chance just cuz u lack creativity and skill.

Will it happen overnight? Fuck no. Will it happen in the future? We shall see.

Look how pro sports took people playing a game as a hobby, and how it became a supplementary job, then became a full blown profession.

That’s all dumb shit by some random dumbass who lived to hate on empire, and trolled himself into multiple bans. its essentially fact > crazy extrapolations, over and over again. This should be pretty apparent in the fact that the author doesn’t know what a pyramid scheme is. There is plenty legit stuff to hate, no need to fish.

I remember seeing that special on EA during gamers week on MTV back when I was in high school and I played games like it was a job and shaking my head at triforce. I’m a gamer, not a caricature.

Seriously. I always find it funny whenever people say “pro” fighting game players when hardly any players (if any at all) make a living off play FG’s.

Fighting games haven’t caught on pro wise as fast as PC games because of the ease of sponsorships for PC gamers. Endless amounts of parts and equipment they can market. With fighting games it’s what, a stick here and there? Console manufacturers don’t give a fuck, their money is elsewhere.

But to say they couldn’t catch on now that the SF4 hype train got things rolling? Well, we’re having players sponsored by some big name PC teams already, so I say give it some time. This whole process didn’t even START until SF4 came out, sadly. But now that the ball is rolling, let’s not dismiss it just yet, simply because it hasn’t worked out in the past. I dunno what it is about that stupid fucking game, but people really seem to enjoy it for whatever reason. So Evo growing to thousands instead of hundreds of people could be just the beginning.

Funny, now i gotta change my Avitar. Like Koop said i predicted this years ago. People don’t listen.

Peace
James