i back him…out the door
let triforce/emp downfall be a lesson to people who want to make a carrer outta fighting games (idk why)
ALWAYS…HAVE…A BACK UP PLAN.
What is this movie that Koop mentioned triforce stood behind? Is it the short posted earlier?
It’s the King of Chinatown movie. Even as a person who doesn’t know much about EMP even I could tell how bullshit it was and how things weren’t presented properly. Especially that Gootecks part people like to spread around and how often so many things that were supposed to be a reaction to something were obviously spliced in from other events.
I used to do bank loans.
No.
I think it’s mostly young people who have stupid ideas in general. You don’t see adults who have real world work experience going after this sort of shit in a suicidal manner. There are some flukes out there in some games, mainly starcraft or people like fatality and voo (mostly quake) who did make an insane amount of money. And that’s what you see/hear about. What isn’t so public is that (again, not counting starcraft or say counter strike) for the majority of them it was pure luck. The guys who cleared well over six figures in a single year gaming often only did this while they were going to college or shortly after while they were just starting working. Now nearly all of the people who did great moved on (Gitzz, Voo, CSM, Thresh) and live normal lives working normal jobs.
What’s also not shown is the amount of idiots that tried to push it and then got burned horribly bad when their franchise was no longer the focus of the spot light or bet their lives on games that never got the spotlight.
It’s also not really shown or widely broadcast those people who did well in it pretty much jumped to where the money was liking the game be damned, and how cut throat it was to get there.
If you want to make money with games, go to school and make games. Play games for fun, if you happen to make some cash that’s cool. If you want to be a “pro gamer” get serious that it’s not likely and you’re going to have to play shit you don’t like, kinda like a job! work where the money is.
Nah man its a documentary. Thus you have to take it as if they are presenting facts upon situations (yes I enjoy docs an movies and know the difference). So if you know some knowledge of the crew known as empire then you get another view of them via the story of Justin’s popular rise into the mainstream by way of the suddenly popular SF4. Its worth the watch and it might either answer some things for you or give you some sort of insight. I say support the guy that made it and enjoy what you see an possibly learn.
Triforce stood behind this and as I have stated earlier it made him look like a leech–unprofessional–and totally lost. It made him look like a complete fool. Im sorry you dont start a documentary with
“I knew Justin would betray me…”
I know he gets into a characteristic form by calling himself emperor and giving his crew titles like knights an valkyries(sp?) but he makes himself look utterly foolish overall. If i didnt know the guy I would honestly say ‘who the fuck is this clown’ and thats just coming from a film fan… Now if u heard stories and 1st person accounts this might add on heavily.
plus he said “only a sucka works a 9 to 5” then it shows him working a 9 to 5…i be embarrassed
Well… little back story… I haven’t watched the final version of “King of Chinatown”, but I did see a screening of it, last May, with Justin, Triforce, a couple other EMP players, and the producers.
In that version, Triforce didn’t look like that much of a clown… just normal Triforce delusion.
They had the “only a sucker works a 9-5 quote”, but they DEFINITELY didn’t have the scene with him bagging groceries. That got added in later.
I’d have to assume that was added in after Justin left EMP, and after Triforce had much influence on anything.
Still HAV…the doc makes him look bad ALL the way around even if you remove both the quote referring to his ‘fathers belief’ (though that was off key as itself being what his father did) and the grocery scene that simply contradicted him all together. The whole thing was…‘that triforce guy is suspect’… just sayin. If its a doc… then the producers set the wrong tone for triforce all together and I (imo) wouldnt have backed the ‘final cut’.
The guy doing the Doc is whack as all fuck. He is acting like he didn’t edit. The thing about documentaries is that you have to watch them and look for specific things and with 80 grains of salt because, at the end of the day, they are showing you a 2 hour recap of a long time of filming. This is not to say that I’m defending Triforce, saying that the guy behind KoCT is an idiot or anything else but really: 1) as a viewer, you can’t rely entirely on the documentary to tell you everything, 2) as a person producing a documentary, you are in a large position of power because you get to choose what people don’t see. It’s the same with the documentary on King Kong, huge fight over the editing which makes everybody kinda look like a prick.
Who cares? he said on multiple occasions that he doesn’t care about the Fighting Game Community…so who cares about him…
Much respect for the players tho.
Im not a huge fan of EMP & I don’t know Tri much at all nor have I seen the documentary yet, but I do feel at least some respect should be giving to EMP & Triforce. On certain threads @ various sites I saw comments with nothing but hate, but you can’t deny he has made(as in contributed) the fighting game community what it is in some shape or form (Might even be in the top biggest contributers until the last year or two at least). For years they were the only? & leading sponsorship group, not to mention they had the most insane players from all over representing & contributing.
I also wonder why people say Tri was that horrible of a leader (not saying he wasn’t lol) but I just wonder why people like Justin or even the other crazy talented players stuck with him for YEARS…not weeks, months but YEARS, if he was that horrible why not leave? I guess everyone was just blinded by the idea of sponsorship and they were as far as I know the only one at the time.
Gotta watch the doc I guess lol (although from what I heard they are really only talking negative about him), I just feel some respect at least should be giving when looking at some comments. I saw DMG talking bad about them to @EH in the comment sections smh ;/
That part was confusing to me.
I was like “uhhh, that was it? What’s with that uncomfortable laugh?” and then, rest of the documentary, no more Gootecks.
Overall, if the doc was supposed to support EMP, I think it kind of did a bad job.
In the end, it did make the organization look very weak 
One problem with Professional Gaming is that compared to real sports, the window of opportunity of being at high level is very small, usually only a few years before the player retires, gets burned out, or just falls off. Give a guy in professional sports a few years (and I’m talking about the fringe, minimum level contract type players), and he’s probably made over a million (before taxes), but give an elite pro gamer a few years, and they probably haven’t got half that. I’m sure that as the years go by, the amount of money put into pro gaming will increase, but pro gaming seems like an extremely volatile market, where something that you couldn’t accurately predict will happen, and it isn’t determined by your level of play, but what the sponsors want.
If you want the safest route to making money, hit the books, network with qualified people. Even in this crappy job market, you can have a 30+ year working career (as long as you have the qualifications), and make good money, but with pro gaming, even though you might initially make more money, you probably only have 3 years or less to do it, before you get phased out.
“The organization is not suspended, just the fighting game division. I can’t focus on holding on to the last Knights and focus on the Empire as a whole. So for now I will just suspend the division. The players are still Empire to those who wish to remain, others who wish to leave were always free to do so. It is now on them to make their own decisions.”
from emp youtube channel.
I heard of EMP having a card games division… what other divisions do they have anyway? Sanford was talking the other day on the Guard Crush stream about how big EMP is even without the fighting game division, that they have been on MTV… a bucketload of crappy hair metal bands that no one still remembers were on MTV too.
I’m not weighing in on whether or not “e-sports” is a viable venture, but I would like to point out the fact that traditional sports have been around for a long ass time in comparison to gaming.
So I watched the"King of Chinatown" movie last night and that really opened my eyes. It seems the Triforce(correct me if I am wrong) was the cause of more deals going bad then good. The part of the movie where the former EMP player was talking about how he almost had a sponsor till Triforce talked to them. That makes me wonder what he said to turn a potential sponsor off like that. Granted he says that EMP was no a sponsorship company and now I can see that it looked like he was just giving them a place to practice and take their earnings from tourneys and such. I also did not care for the practice more on games than school work not a good look if true.
I can’t blame Justin and the rest of those fellows for leaving when they did,Emp did have an impressive roster but I personally don’t think they held up the east coast because there are plenty of great players from here. I hope they guy can pick himself up with a better business plan next time around nobody wants to put in and get nothing back but name recognition. With that I hope the new EMP players have outside income coming in besides the tourneys(not saying emp players don’t work) don’t depend on a man that is more about his brand than he is about you.
I like the whole concept of competitive gaming, especially the fighting game community. There is a lot that goes into being proficient in any fighting game. But I don’t feel it is comparable to athletic sports as far as the stamina required to compete (mentally and physically). I see both sides, and honestly it takes a lot to consistently compete and win in tourneys. going to major tourneys (or fairly large ones) is extremely exhausting and you can become mentally and physically drained, but I still don’t think they can be put in the same category.
But with that being said, I would find it very hard as an investor/banker to take this triforce cat seriously. His vocabulary to his overall presence is not really professional. If anything he is playing at something that just isnt there. If you want others to take you seriously ,then you have to take yourself seriously… And that means not walking around the city wearing a power glove and a hoodie, because if anything it adds more sillyness to your person than mystique.
I argue that while athletic sports are indeed much more demanding in both respects, those aspects are due to their age and are not an inherent feature. This is both a good and bad thing: a MULTITUDE of recent studies have shown that athletic sports’ intensity and exertions are unnecessary. Worse, their overextertion and “pushing beyond limits” is being kept purely for spectator hype, not for quality. There is a resistance to the science, which is just sad.
(quick google search links, not links to the original studies)
Even ignoring that man has not reached the epitome of their abilities since science has only recently got involved, sports are still harder to be the best at, both physically and mentally. It’s because the best of the best are significantly better than the average person. We don’t have the best of the best in gaming because the competitive scene isn’t old enough.
And even with that, to a spectator, the significant difference in skill is not visible because of the spectator’s ignorance and the game’s lack of conveying so. Think lifting weights: big f###ing guy, lifting big f###ing weight. Anyone can relate. Now, average player picks Zangief and does a 360 pile driver… lol.