The DHC Trick - Damage & Hit-Stun Scaling Reset

[Diet]

I really feel of the things that need to be patched out in this game this is one of them. It breaks a system, the hit stun / damage deterioration system, that is in place to prevent combos from doing too much damage. To me this is worse than X-factor as at least every character can use x-factor and this only applies to certain characters making them extremely powerful. The fact that it’s called a glitch should be obvious enough. This needs to be patched out.

so since every character can do something that will 100% any character is ok, but if something is more limited and takes atleast 2 bars to 100% someone, it’s broken? It’s not even a “must have” thing to be available in a team. Plenty of tournament players placed highly without using it

[Dark_Sonic]

Not sure if anyone posted it but while he cant activate the glitch Spiderman can definitely use it. I guess there’s something about Maximum Spider that allows it to reset damage when used after same cinematic moves for full damage.

Actually, spiderman CAN start it off of webthrow

Webthrow->maximum spider (DHC before it hits)->DHC applicable super.

I saw a spiderman player doing that a lot at CEO (into hyper sentinal force lol)

[SaltyKracka]

so since every character can do something that will 100% any character is ok, but if something is more limited and takes atleast 2 bars to 100% someone, it’s broken? It’s not even a “must have” thing to be available in a team. Plenty of tournament players placed highly without using it

Can you name one combo per character that not only does 100% damage without using the DHC trick but also…no, let’s go with that for now. The obvious point is that every single one of the combos that you’d have to use as examples is that not only would they be long, involved, and most probably execution heavy, but they’d require MANY more resources than the DHC glitch does. The simple fact that most of the characters who have and can take advantage of the DHC glitch are in the upper portions of the cast is really just the icing on the cake.

[xero15]

Actually, spiderman CAN start it off of webthrow

Webthrow->maximum spider (DHC before it hits)->DHC applicable super.

I saw a spiderman player doing that a lot at CEO (into hyper sentinal force lol)

That doesnt reset the damage or hit stun Rahsaan just did it to get closer and hit with Sentinel because he doesnt like the full MS into PS DHC

[Duck_Strong]

Can you name one combo per character that not only does 100% damage without using the DHC trick but also…no, let’s go with that for now. The obvious point is that every single one of the combos that you’d have to use as examples is that not only would they be long, involved, and most probably execution heavy, but they’d require MANY more resources than the DHC glitch does. The simple fact that most of the characters who have and can take advantage of the DHC glitch are in the upper portions of the cast is really just the icing on the cake.

Easy peasy lemon squeezy ;):

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[SaltyKracka]

Easy peasy lemon squeezy ;):

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If somebody ever manages to replicate that in a match, go ahead and let me know. And no, Grabity Squeege isn’t a valid answer either. There’s a reason those two characters are tops.

[Diet]

Can you name one combo per character that not only does 100% damage without using the DHC trick but also…no, let’s go with that for now. The obvious point is that every single one of the combos that you’d have to use as examples is that not only would they be long, involved, and most probably execution heavy, but they’d require MANY more resources than the DHC glitch does. The simple fact that most of the characters who have and can take advantage of the DHC glitch are in the upper portions of the cast is really just the icing on the cake.

I was saying that the DHC glitch is worse than an XF boost, I was not saying it wasn’t good.

[Nobus3r1]

If somebody ever manages to replicate that in a match, go ahead and let me know. And no, Grabity Squeege isn’t a valid answer either. There’s a reason those two characters are tops.

Tihn(?, guy who came in second at NCR) was hitting the non-assist version of that combo (1.1 million) pretty consistently. Check it out.

[Wonderswan]

I really feel of the things that need to be patched out in this game this is one of them. It breaks a system, the hit stun / damage deterioration system, that is in place to prevent combos from doing too much damage. To me this is worse than X-factor as at least every character can use x-factor and this only applies to certain characters making them extremely powerful. The fact that it’s called a glitch should be obvious enough. This needs to be patched out.

Capcom said they still wanted broken things for this game, and I think the DHC glitch fits that perfectly. Honestly having to deal with Wesker and his bs health makes me a huge fan of this technology. Calling it ‘extremely powerful’ is a bit over the top too. At worst it kills 1 character, Wolverine can do that with XF1 and then get a nearly unblockable mix-up and kill your second character for free, he is also priveledged in being the only one who can do this with XF1, so fuck it if they want to leave that shit in, then DHC trick might as well stay too. It also helps out some of the really low damage characters like Jill who would be a lot lower in the tiers without it.

Oh, and nothing is worse than X-factor. Hyperbole is fun but keep it real man. ;p

[Nini_Heart]

Capcom said they still wanted broken things for this game, and I think the DHC glitch fits that perfectly. Honestly having to deal with Wesker and his bs health makes me a huge fan of this technology. Calling it ‘extremely powerful’ is a bit over the top too. At worst it kills 1 character, Wolverine can do that with XF1 and then get a nearly unblockable mix-up and kill your second character for free, he is also priveledged in being the only one who can do this with XF1, so fuck it if they want to leave that shit in, then DHC trick might as well stay too. It also helps out some of the really low damage characters like Jill who would be a lot lower in the tiers without it.

Oh, and nothing is worse than X-factor. Hyperbole is fun but keep it real man. ;p

DHC glitch uses up the most replenishable resource to get an easy kill. Wolverine XF1 uses up a resource you can’t ever get back. See the difference?

[Diet]

DHC Trick not working in this instance…:

Starting with ammy sword stance in corner:
ground grab, launch, j.m, j.m, j.h , j.m, qcf:h, land, launch, j.m, j.m, aerial exchange(down or up) X-23 comes in down+h, Weapon X, DHC to Ammy Slow.
Any idea why the damage scaling isn’t reset?

[Nini_Heart]

Try doing a cr l before the ground grab. If that doesn’t work then no idea.

[Diet]

i made sure to hit with a physical attack before doing the grab, it still didnt work

[DevilJin_01]

If somebody ever manages to replicate that in a match, go ahead and let me know. And no, Grabity Squeege isn’t a valid answer either. There’s a reason those two characters are tops.

Have you ever played any of the older fighting games? People used to regularly do stuff in those games that makes that look like balrog’s jab headbutt ultra.

[Duck_Strong]

If somebody ever manages to replicate that in a match, go ahead and let me know. And no, Grabity Squeege isn’t a valid answer either. There’s a reason those two characters are tops.

The only semi difficult parts in that combo are landing the last arrow lift and the last sj.:s: (you have to hit it immediately otherwise they pop out). To be honest, I’ve actually landed the whole thing in matches before (well 2 supers because most characters are dead by then). Eventually muscle memory kicks in and you get much more consistent. Lots of stuff in MvC2 was way way harder to do and it was all considered pretty crucial.

[Mr.X]

SF4 and MvC3 have created lazy ass players imo.

[Wonderswan]

SF4 and MvC3 have created lazy ass players imo.

Why blame the games?

And who is lazy? The online trash that post on these forums and don’t attend tournaments? I wouldn’t bother worrying about them, or even dignifying them as players for that matter.

[Duck_Strong]

The problem is the “online trash” constitute the majority and dictate the direction of most games these days. So if 5 million lazy dumbshit 15 year olds can’t be bothered to learn this shit and would rather flowchart their way to a win with Wolverine until they get their asses kicked by better players and trade in their game to EB the very next week for COD: We’re really not even fucking trying anymore edition , that’s what we’ll keep getting from Capcom. :(.

You’re left with a shittier game that tried to cater to idiots who will move on a week later. Anyone who cares about learning the in’s and out’s will have to settle for an inferior product.

That’s the problem with designing shit strictly for casuals. As far as I’m concerned the vast majority of the Halo generation can go fuck itself.

[KJunk]

So it’s pretty common knowledge that whiffed supers can lead into the DHC glitch for some characters.

I’ve found that Spencer can actually end the glitch pretty easily for any glitch that starts even slightly off the ground. For instance, it’s easy to follow-up X-23 or Trish’s starter with his. You just do Bionic Maneuvers (it whiffs) into a well-timed :l: and you can relaunch into a full combo.

Chris can also ‘end’ the glitch with his Grenade Launcher super on slightly elevated opponents. In the corner, 4 out of the 5 grenades connect for massive damage and he can even follow it up with a full launch into OTG afterwards. The full series adds over 600k damage without using another super…

[jenz0r]

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Got the DHC Glitch down with Haggar and Hulk. 100% on Thor!
Would be fun to see more people DHC Glitching with haggar and also with whiffed supers.