So, can Spartan be considered a Ninja counter? All 4 ninjas have “problems” against Spartan according to you, so I’m guessing yes. This isn’t denying the fact that skill is involved (it always is), but matchup-wise, Spartan does good against Ninjas, I suppose.
Spartan does do good against the Ninjas. She can fight from pretty much every range, short, mid and long, which gives all the ninja characters problems. Hayabusa has problems against characters who excel in close range. Ayane has problems against her because she’s already unsafe as it is and Spartan can just get massive damage off of throw punishment and counters. Kasumi and Hayate has problems getting close up on her. I’m not exactly sure but that’s my thought about it.
Who does Bayman match up well against?
And does Bayman do best at long, middle or short range combat? Cuz he has some good moves for middle and long…but I dunno about short.
Bayman is good against characters that are poor against offensive holds and parries really. That’s all he has, haha.
Bayman’s whole range game is stopped by characters that have a long range low or offensive hold (or even throw) that are fast enough. Because Bayman’s best options at range are Parry, 6P+K and 66K. They’re both pretty slow though, making Parry his best ranged option, which screws him over against chars that have an actual ranged game.
And yeah, because of heightened punishment, and her running moves she serves pretty well against Ninjas. People say she’s good against Ayane, but I’d say it’s more like 50/50, since Spartan has like no Low-Mids (her running moves also get crushed by High-Mid Crushes) and can get crushed a lot by Ayane (4P, 33P), same with Busa (2P+K, 2F+K) really. But she can punish Ayane’s semi-safes like 6PK and 3F+K. This forces spartan into a defense of only blocking without many pokes, making her more vulnerable to Punch Grab type mixups.
The guy made a statement and I commented on it, so I don’t see how that makes me a troll. He commented back with his opinion that if other fighting games had the level of online play that DOA has, that it would lead to less serious play, which I took offence to and countered.
I suspect that he wants more people to travel and play locally because he is playing in tournaments and wants more of a turnout, which means more money or prizes being available to him. As I said, I suspect this is the case and I told him as much.
The dude claims to have played over 30,000 matches online, so obviously the competition was there. Noone is going to play that much if it’s not a good experience.
Anyway, I have no problem if this guy or “Offbeat Ninja” or whoever else want to play offline and goto tournaments, but they are trying to downplay the competition online for their own personal gain, so I am going to comment on it.
Well damn. That sucks.
Doesn’t really matter, since holds and parries are all I use as him, though :lol:
What about Ein? For a while now, he’s been one of my more-used characters. Should I just stop using him now or what?
Or the fact that online play is not good for serious play in the first place?
If there was no such thing as lag or delay you would have a point - but you do not. Reactive skills do not grow much if you play online. Say somebody does an Offensive Hold up close, are you going to throw it by the sound? Let’s say somebody does a fast safe string, is it going to be defensive held on reaction? If somebody does a Punch Grab variant, do you have any chance of defending against it, except for just mashing the hell out of your launcher? There are a lot more examples of online holding a game back reaction-wise, holding us back to guess in reaction situations.
Serious DOA players easily see all the flaws online and that you CANNOT go further with it to the point. You’re getting players here that have kicked everyone’s asses online and offline, while you’re trying to tell us that online is the shit. Somebody that nobody even knows. Online has limitations and the ability of random lag. Offline is pure. Nobody says that there’s no competition online - quite the opposite. We’re saying that there’s nobody offline, and less and less people can play the game in a pure environment because of extremely low turnouts. Your argument would have any weight at all if online and offline are the same. They are not.
As well, true serious play and player’s top condition can only be tested when something is on the line for them, in a pure condition, that’s where money matches and tournaments help. It brings out a state of mind which is never available when you’re just playing somebody from your couch.
Spudly - Ein is a well rounded character that’s basic. That’s why people can win with him. He doesn’t have any special stuff that goes extremely far, he’s just simply a solid character with the basic system.
By basic, do you mean that he’s just a straight-forward character? Or that he’s just not good once you reach a certain level?
And yet you have played over 30,000 matches with all of these so called bothersome limitations that supposedly aren’t making you any better at the game…
Online is the shit, as it is with most games that have online multiplayer. It’s fun, it’s convenient, and depending on the game, you get more gameplay than anywhere else. I never claimed it to be the purest form of anything. What I did say, which you say you agree with, is that online in THIS GAME is where the majority of competition is. Your argument was that there were too many people playing online and not enough offline (which kind of proves how good the online play is for this game).
If you don’t think it’s “pure” enough and would rather play offline, then get out. But, don’t act like a weasel and compaign online about how bad online play supposedly is compared to offline play, as if you care about the community of gamers more than you do making money.
Thats funny, I don’t remember you playing at The World Cyber Games or Championship Gaming Invitational either…
Congratulations on winning some local tournaments where in your words, there is “no competition…”
If online and offline where identical, 100% no lag, you would complain about noone traveling and playing for money because they are all online (which is pretty much exactly what you said in your previous post) so what’s your point?
And where are these “Phantom DOA Players” that would rather be playing offline? For all of this talk with any so called offline community, the solution is always the same. It’s like the movie Field of Dreams. If you build it, they will come.
Again, were you at The World Cyber Games? Were you at Evo when they actually had DOA 4? You talk all of this stuff and then when the time comes that there is a major tournament, you aren’t there. The thing you seem to forget is that DOA is not an arcade game. I will spare the “arcades are dead” argument, but dude seriously, had online play never even come to consoles, DOA would still have the same scene Offline. You act as if online play was taken away, that magically all these players would start popping up in tournaments all over the world.
This isn’t a fairytale.
Well, thanks for the info on that, “Mr. Zen Master…”
Seriously though, your online record is nothing to be laughed at, but what has happened is that you have gotten to a point where you have convinced yourself that you are so good, if you lose, it’s because of online limitations, and you aren’t truly satisfied if you aren’t playing for money.
It’s sad really, because you just picked the wrong game to want to make money off of. Had you chosen Tekken or another fighter that gets a lot of run at arcades, you would not have this problem (unless you didn’t live near a hot spot and then you would probably not be any good at the game since there is no online play, how is that for irony?)
umm…you obviously dont know who XDest is.
His name’s BEEN on WCG’s site.
this man wrote the book on DOA, quite literally ( look up his Book Of Destruction sometime ).
from what i know he got started playing DOA++ when it was in arcades.
he has done what are quite possibly the most informative, useful combo videos on the game.
him and Offbeat are probably two of the best to ever do it.
so, may i ask, who the fuck are you? stop derailing the thread if you dont have anything positive to say.
Yeah, seriously, fighterguy. He’s in a league well above yours.
Yeah, I kind of did quality for WCG, and couldn’t go because I couldn’t travel to it. Great, eh?
“If you don’t think it’s “pure” enough and would rather play offline, then get out. But, don’t act like a weasel and compaign online about how bad online play supposedly is compared to offline play, as if you care about the community of gamers more than you do making money.”
SUPPOSEDLY?
Lag isn’t fake. This isn’t a fairytale. Situations that can only be done on reaction take a serious hit and become guessing situations.
This whole argument dates back on DOAC a few years ago. Most people will not take online seriously because it makes some situations random that just plain shouldn’t be.
And if you don’t think I’m good in the first place, maybe you should play me in your god given online play, and I’ll still kick your ass. What’s your GT?
“If online and offline where identical, 100% no lag, you would complain about noone traveling and playing for money because they are all online (which is pretty much exactly what you said in your previous post) so what’s your point?”
But they are not. So what is YOUR point?
"Thats funny, I don’t remember you playing at The World Cyber Games or Championship Gaming Invitational either…
Congratulations on winning some local tournaments where in your words, there is “no competition…”"
The CHAMPIONSHIP GAMING INVITATIONAL is LEGIT?
One second…
MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
It’s a bunch of players that got picked because they went to E3, then played in 5 matches 1 round settings on largest life. To even bring that up screws up your argument. I’m betting that series is even the freaking reason Evo doesn’t have DOA4 this year. CGS has the license, and they’re partners with WCG. UGS started before UGS and are allowed to.
Truly, I wouldn’t give a shit about more money - even though it’s a good extra.
The point is that the game is different because of input delay and lag. Anything defensive and reactive takes a bit of a hit depending on reaction. This makes sweeps, low/mid/throw mixups, strings, punch grabs, offensive holds etc… a lot harder to deal with and reaction to.
And if you don’t take MY word for it, Perfect Legend, you know the guy that won Evo 2006 could tell you the exact same thing.
I need to ask you this - are you a very competitive gamer? Or are you just a casual that thinks he knows what he’s talking about?
“as if you care about the community of gamers more than you do making money.”
Like I didn’t make a full website and forums for the game, write a billion guides and faq, combo videos, tutorials and etc and hold local tournaments and gatherings of my own?
What the fuck have you done??
But yo why you talkin so much shit?
And don’t forget, giving really good advice to players looking to get better with certain purple haired characters.
I haven’t been keeping in touch with DoA in forever. I still don’t own 4, but someone fill me in.
Where’s the money at these days?
What big WCG-sized payout tournaments are coming up? Is WCG even still doing DoA4? I bet they would, seeing as how online play makes it so easy. I heard something about a series you can get into to get a salary of $30k per year just playing DoA4. Are people still getting sponsored for playing? What opportunities are out there that would make all the other FGC’s salivate with envy?
Have turnouts grown?
Or are people still being online warriors?
Where’s the hype?
Who’s getting hype? Any MASTER v PL mm’s going down? Anything on that scale?
I want a reply to fill me in on what’s good with DoA4 as of late, since I haven’t been following for over a year now.
Bass is barely mentioned at all, yet according to one poster he was Top Tier in
DoA 3. Is he THAT bad in DoA 4?
Yes.
Bass in DOA3.1 was like this:
- Insane priority
- His pickup 50/50’s
- Had a 4F+P Launch Throw that can do insane damage on NH, and can lead into an air grab or pickup game
- Air grab was not height specific, could be done at any time
- Had 6PK relaunch
- Had invisible wall infinite
… pretty much.
Why don’t you answer my questions, XDest?
:sad:
It’s like the developers went out of their way to make Bass as awful a character as possible. Does he really have anything going for him?
I got ya bro; after all you did use Leon. . . .
WCG still does DOA. DOA gets major sponsorships from some tournament league called CGS. I don’t really get it, but it just seems kind of stupid to me, and I couldn’t enter anyways. Basically it gives people that go through somewhat bullshit qualifiers alot of money. . .I think
Turnouts still suck unless your in PA, NY, or maybe SoCal.
I guess there’s hype in CGS or something.
33P is a hella good high crush,strongest single part throw in the game,heavy weight. . .ermmm decent 50/50 off of 1p due to the threat of his while rising 65f+p, other stuff.
PL:When are you gonna do those Jann Lee strats.