Amazing adaptation, I am very pleased. The only disappointment I have is they cut one of my most favorite lines:
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Before I read DKR I was very much not a Superman fan. However this one page completely changed my outlook on the character when I realized the immense weight on his shoulders. Kind of interesting considering every “Superman fan” I talk to has hated this book.
I love Superman and I love DKR, even though it’s a somewhat jaundiced depiction of him.
I felt like part 1 was a very line by line and faithful adaptation of the book. This one I noticed definitely changed some things such as a lot more action in the superman fight I think as well as changing some of the lines around. The final conversation with Joker I remember being very different.
Watched part 1 again and just flowed into part 2. Shit made me read the book again. Part 2 isnt line for line but shit is still flawless. Marvel got it on lock live action but anything animated from Dc and Warner Bros is instant gold. Its like news flash bring these stories to the live action table and maybe just maybe justice league wont fail before it even starts.
Watching them together just makes me really appreciate how Nolan and his team went over these comics and gave a very solid story of Batman.
Fuck it might as well watch DKR part 2 again joker>>>>>
I think my only gripe with these flicks is the lack of Kevin Conroy. I just watched Robocop a few weeks ago so some of Bats’ lines felt flat. Supes voice actor sounded exactly like Tim Daly, though.
Other than that agreed with pretty much everything in this thread. It was faithful to the books and that’s pretty much all you can ask for.
The Joker in this was wow… I loved the action sequences and how Bats didn’t pull any punches.
I like the depiction of Supes in the film, it seemed like a very real world Superman with all the narrowminded idealism and unwavering patriotism that I could never relate with.
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First off the BEST PART of this movie hands down was when Joker murdered his psychiatrist in cold blood. If this movie was in theaters I would’ve gave that scene a standing ovation. :clapdos: I wanted him to die slow since the first movie. Fuck his life.
-Superman being so weakened by that soviet nuke actually surprised me, but his near instantaneous regeneration really caught me off guard since I’ve never seen that depicted in the comics.
-Having that guy from Person of Interest voice the Joker actually worked out well, made him sound more like a competent serial killer/ mass murderer and less like a loon.
-Lastly, the touching moment when Batman saved Robin on the helicopter and told her she was a “good soldier” while embracing her tightly. That was a nice moment.
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There were some scenes that probably could’ve been referenced better since i didn’t read this graphic novel, but all in all I liked it much more than Part 1 (which I also liked.)
It’s the perfect depiction to latch onto. Miller! :tup:
great movie, i wish more american cartoons will be violent like this. After watching this one, i love to see they make a Punisher movie, that would be so awsome!
[details=Spoiler] I LOVED Joker’s rampage. It turned the film into a mini horror film for a short time. We all know how unstable and violent the joker is, but this is the first time in a film that we, or at least I’ve seen him REALLY show it in a murderous fashion. Just shooting random innocents, TEEN KIDS EVEN!! All just to taunt Batman further. And that stabbing scene was just gruesome.
And the Batman vs Superman fight was insane. We’ve seen Superman do DBZ style fights, but Batman?! I nearly had an orgasm when he kicked the steel girder into Superman, threw a batterang to cut the chain off the wrecking ball, grab it in mid air, and then slam it into Supes! The entire movie was amazing! Maybe even BETTER than Under The Red Hood. I can’t wait to see what film they’ll do next for Batman. DCAU is sex.
Superman wants the best for everyone and tries to set a positive example by using his gifts to do good deeds. The despair it must take to sincerely describe that as “narrow-minded idealism” is boggling to me.
As for unwavering patriotism… demonstrably untrue. Just not in this story, which–again–this is Frank Miller, who is mainly exploiting the character’s symbolic value to make his point rather than tapping into anything essential or universal about him.
I’d like to point out that the source material for this movie was written in 1986. The same year that the original Crisis began. Superman was pretty much “truth, justice, and the American way” up until this point.
As far as any deep character study of Superman, I think it’s pretty reasonable he would become a patsy and nuclear deterrent for the US in Miller’s universe at that time. I think the book was the first time (or one of the first) when Superman was labeled a boyscout by his peers and Batman is seen as a rebellious in a group setting. I don’t recall this much co-mingling of superhero pathos before the 80’s.
Miller is using Superman and Batman to represent two different versions of authoritarianism. It works very well–for this story.
Superman wasn’t written as consistently as an all-American patriot as people think, and his history of being written as such tends to mirror Batman’s history of being written as such. Anytime DC felt nervous about its position in the discourse of child welfare, they could always have Superman shake hands with the president or have Batman deliver an impassioned speech about the importance of supporting the local police force. It was their way of not running afoul of things like HUAC or moral guardians.
Miller’s take on both characters is radically different, not just from these portrayals, but from most portrayals. I doubt people fully appreciate that.
God i will never forget michael ironside as darkseid
…or Michael Ironside as Batman…
Yeah the Reagan lookalike shocked me. But then again, I was shocked they were willing to allow Soviets in this movie instead of some random faction.
I kinda hope they do do it, so that they can at least explain some of the stuff that needs further explanations. And I dind’t mind DKSA, sure it wasn’t as good as DKR, but it wasn’t exactly the worst thing ever.
holy shit batman kicked supermans ass and was that green arrow? what happened to his arm?
It got removed.
Lemme guess, Supes did it. That would explain why O seems to have a hate-on against him.
It was a nod to Green Arrows death, he blew up in a plane. It came down to superman saving him by cutting off his arm or letting him die, Arrow said let me die. Thats the thin of it. There was more but yeah there ya go.
Off topic, but how die he come back again? Wasn’t it Hal as the Specter taking energy from Superman to do it?
