Yu-wha-huh?! What are you on, son? …and you still haven’t addressed anything I said. You just went off on some shit of your own. And relying on the government for everything at the expense of a stable family unit IS slavery. The parties never “switched”, as far as I know…the dems just got slick with that shit in a way that benefited them more than keeping us in literal chains. They just do things that outwardly seem to help us, but have serious detrimental side effects. Isn’t it strange that after all these decades, 99% percent of us still aren’t doing that much better? Google this phrase: “I’ll have those ni**ers voting democratic for the next 200 years!”
I’m not saying it’s the solution, but it is looking towards the right direction. Sorry that I said reasonable. Especially where the man warned to be wary of the media trying to select leaders and undermine the movement.
I agree with you. On everything you said. I urge you to look at some of the links that have been posted here, such as the one that Mr. X posted. http://www.buzzfeed.com/jpmoore/reasons-people-are-occupying-wall-street
It really gives you an idea of what is going on out there, and the need for change.
What’s wrong with getting a similar bailout for people that businesses got?
If the government won’t allow businesses to die when they fucked themselves up by being bad at business or with loans and mortgages and contracts that were designed to fail so they can bleed the people who signed them dry, then they should bailout the people who are the victims of these shitty businesses, loans, mortgages and contracts as well.
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There’s more than just Democrats and Republicans. This countries bi partisan political system is a joke, it ranges from moderate to ultra conservative, with Ron Paul off on some other Z axis. Forget parties and vote for issues you believe in. I’m sorry but I just can’t stand people discussing the Tea Party like they make any sort of sense. And it’s ridiculous the amount of media coverage they get (they get news teams out the wazoo in a f***** Denny’s restaurant), yet protests like the one in Madison WI, and the ones on Wall Street and around the US that are going on right now had little to no mention whatsoever in local or national news. It took innocent girls GETTING MACED in the face for any sort of attention. It’s sad if you ask me. The media does not want people to know about what’s going on, because they are corporate owned.
And if you want to know why the economy isn’t doing any better it’s because the banks are free to run rampant and make profits with any means necessary, including tanking the economy. That and the fact that politicians are corporately sponsored, and bicker between one party and another and get little done at the expense of the people of the United States.
Obviously you believe that there’s a problem, and that’s what the whole Occupy Wall St. movement is about. Not to topple the government, but to supplement our power to vote, with freedom of speech and assembly. That way that the voice of the people can’t be ignored or misinterpreted.
And I googled the phrase. It came from either FDR, or LBJ from a sad and unfortunate time in america’s history. Your point is?
There’s lots of information out there so you can learn more about what’s really going on.
I think the primary problem is that banks shouldn’t have been bailed out in the first place, and that letting more people off the hook for what may have been questionable decisions (such as the people who got “liar loans”, for example) is a step in the wrong direction.
The tea party gets tons of media attention because they are “the enemy”. They are not liberals. The media has a massive liberal slant, which is why they were trying NOT to cover the sit-in protests at wall street, just like they didn’t cover the pro-illegal alien rallies where cops had rocks, bottles, and spanish racist slurs hurled at them: the liberal media will go to great lengths to hide their own side’s rowdyness (and, yes: racism) and exaggerate (and fabricate, in many cases) what happens at conservative gatherings, and they ridicule other sources of news that aren’t biased so that the vast majority of people don’t know what’s going on, except for what they are told by the mainstream media. I knew about the Wall Street sit-in’s MONTHS ago. Why? No, I don’t follow hippie young communist neckbeards in their feel-good twitter posts. I just don’t follow mainstream crap too much. They LIE and cover things up, like this event. They used to have reporters trolling at tea party rallies saying shit to people like “Isn’t this whole thing kind of racist? I mean, the majority of the people here are WHITE.”, as if THAT meant anything. And why is the left always bringing up race in the first place? Didn’t they say we’re supposed to be beyond thaty? Yet who always throws down claims of racism when they run out of patience with polite discourse? I’m not rooting for the tea party, but damn, you gotta be blind to see what the OTHER guys are doing, and double-standards, especially in news and journalism, make me sick.
I wasn’t talking about the economy…
The media has a massive slant towards advertising money. I don’t expect ANY intelligent discussion to happen in either broadcast or cable news network especially when it concerns complicated areas like immigration, public policy, the concept of race, and pretty much anything. At this point most of the newscasters are fancy bloggers that get to be on T.V.
The only REAL fight that we have left as people is against corporations; they interfere in more ways that one and get to vote a lot harder than we can. Please let this not be mistaken with some conspiracy bullshit, the general welfare of the population gets to eat a dick to corporations more than once. The only real person that really has gone out of his way to dick them back was Ralph Nader but, considering how shitty education is (and the fact that Texas wants to get rid of Thomas Jefferson), I don’t expect people to give two shits about Nader; and no, Nader did not cost anybody the election.
Read my whole post homie. 
I’ve seen the videos of the girls and the events that took place during the Occupy Wall St. from many different angles recorded from live footage. If you had too you would understand that they do not fabricate this.
And you don’t understand what liberal means, the most liberal democrat is probably barely to the left middle of the political spectrum. see second page for description
The protests on Wall Street are peaceful protests. Despite tactics used by the police to intimidate and scare them, and even provoke them into violence.
I just want to say that I know someone who is an A student, and a very good athlete, who also happens to be an illegal alien. And he might not be able to get his diploma or his degree after all of the hard work he has done. It really makes me sad. And for those people who dog on illegal aliens, don’t forget that they work the jobs that other people won’t for less than minimum wage. They’re a part of the economy as well, especially in border states. So what they don’t pay taxes? They work for shit money. Make the rich people pay their taxes before you tax someone who makes below minimum wage.
Outspoken black figures have spoken out against the Tea Party. Deal with it. Also about race issues, you have ignorant American supporters who want to send Obama back to Kenya, and even more racist things than that. I don’t want to discuss the race issue, especially not my opinions please don’t get me started. I’m asking you to drop it right now. You are the one who brought it up in this thread.
Well sir, in case you didn’t see the first post. This thread is not the Tea Party thread, it’s about the current state of the world with emphasis on the problems with the US.
You are the conservative stereotype, only willing to speak about yourself on not listen to other people.
AND the parties did switch you dolt. That’s why all the racists and white supremacists stopped voting democratic, cuz the republicans knew how to keep people down better. Ironically the tables have turned and the focus have turned from racism to class-ism, grouping lower class racists and minorities together.
They shouldn’t have been bailed. If they failed they wouldn’t be around to collect.
But the government stopped them from failing, so they are still around to collect.
Why are the businesses benefiting from the bail out and collections and the people, the victims, of such practices being ignored? They are profiting from wrongdoing, which I thought the Clean Hands Doctrine prevented.
Pffft, 
, you really believe that shit? Seriously? You think they’re out there in the strawberry fields, and that’s all they do*? Presidente Calderone, liar that he is, has you snowed. However, you DID phrase that EXACTLY right: they work jobs that used to pay decent wages for dirt-cheap wages that americans won’t accept because we don’t like living in trailers with 7 or so other guys we don’t really know and sharing our food, money, and bed with them. Americans simply refuse to be paid less than minimum wage for working (since in many cases, the traditional wage for said jobs was actually higher).
*Here are some jobs they’re pretty much taking over everywhere:
Construction (which pays CITIZENS up to 25 an hour…damn decent and enough to feed a family on. A formerly respectable blue-collar job). Anywhere in my state, there’s no more diverse building crews. A couple caucasian guys, and a ton of illegals.OSHA just check safety, not citizenship.
Fast food (ever wonder why teenagers have had a hard time finding that first job that most of us started on? Hell, my co-worker’s girlfriend can’t even get her 40 hours a week at the local Gyro’s thanks to 3 of these guys working from open to close for 5 an hour. She got 15 hours last week. The only time she’s really guaranteed a full day is when they have to shoo the illegals out on inspection days). Don’t even think I’m lying. Many members here have bitched about pulling up to a fast food place, and nobody speaking english.
Food processing: like you wouldn’t even believe. Remember the case where a meat processing plant got raided by ICE, removing 200 or so illegals…and the very next day, over 200 americans showed up to apply for the jobs? Jobs americans won’t do? Yeah right. Even my own mother and grandmother worked side by side picking tobacco and tomatoes during the summer up until my mother turned 16…then along came you know who…it wasn’t always an illegal’s job. They just flooded it thanks to a willingness to live 8-10 to a single family dwelling, and pool their money, and are branching out into other areas now. And all that money doesn’t even help the economy. They send BILLIONS back to Mexico every year. And don’t get me started on hospitals…there’s a reason medical costs are so high these days: those who can pay are having to pay higher rates because of those who just disappear after treatment…and the hospitals are powerless to stop this cycle because they can’t turn anyone away. Hospitals in small towns in border states have been closing like dominoes thanks to this, and even the larger ones are feeling the pain.
You are the first to attack, but you can’t look at yourself. You’re mad at illegals? But not at the bankers and politicians that allowed the economy to fail in the first place. The same people that gamble away your future, my future, and the people of the United States. You’re so backwards. That’s the reason why people can’t afford to hire people right now or pay people more, not because of illegals.
You know your family was illegal when they came here too, unless you’re Native American. Imagine if the illegals rolled up on you and took your land, and murdered and raped your people.
I live in South Texas and I know exactly what’s going on. I feel sympathy for the illegals, cuz they have no rights like you and me. They have to endure so much just to make it into America. I do wish they would get their citizenship, but only for them. Not because I’m racist and want to get rid of them.
How is it the illegals problem that employers are willing to break the law to hire them in order to pay less?
I love Illegal immigrants. Fucking hard ass workers they are, just happy to have a fucking job.
Everyone should be like them minus the shit pay.
expect the illegal problem to spiral even more out of control. the full destabilization of Mexico could happen the moment the Mexican government gets ahead of itself.
Some cartels are loved by the people, and those people are willing to die for those cartels becasue they provide money, somehting the government cannot and will not do.
the same can’t be said about their kids though
no logic allowed. Clearly the illegals forced the employers to do it.
stop drinking that kool aid, instead of crying about how bad the illegals are, why don’t you shit on Wall Street pricks sitting in Washington who get rid of jobs, and don’t pass laws which wopuld severly punish those who hire illegals.
problems i see are
government computers can be hacked
people in the US are pissed off almost more then any other country
the poor keep getting poor, middle class is getting screwed
hardly any jobs now a days, its harder then ever to get a job
life insurance sucks
now car insurance is becoming a problem
if the government doesnt fix anything then things will keep getting worse
I know who did it. Who said I was mad? Just because I’m saying something that you perceive to be an attack when it’s just simple proof doesn’t mean I’m angry. Just because someone says something you don’t like doesn’t mean they hate you. This generation’s about as touchy and emotional as women, geez. I’m surprised they haven’t been brought up on charges, but that’s the way this administration rolls, apparently. I’m not mad at illegals, but at people who defend them as if there are no negative consequences (such as identity theft, which I myself was a victim of thanks to 5 migrant fruit pickers in Virgina) to them being here. I hate when people spout such an obvious fallacious statement as if it were a fact. Instead of letting Calderone chastise us like a bunch of bitches, we should have asked his hypocritic punk ass why he won’t help his mestizo citizens himself, instead of shoving them off on us. The racist prick.
There were no illegal immigration laws on the books when slaves were brought to America. Even if there were, they didn’t apply to my people because were we considered PROPERTY for sale, not people. Again, another fallacy I had to correct. Seriously, you keep tossing out these…Idunno, nonsense slogans that are simply not true. First the jobs americans won’t do, and now this. This is a bunch of “leave them alone, you meanie” easily disproven chanted lies know-nothing college kids spout at pro-illegal demonstrations. I’m pretty sure you’re better than that.
Yeah, that would suck…especially since it happens from time to time in this day and age and nobody ever gets caught. When America was colonized, they were no such things as illegal aliens. They were strangers. There were no laws against coming here unchecked.
Money, where does it come from?
Figure it out and you will uncover a parasite in the system.
Not the only one, but perhaps one of the greater.
Herein lies the problem…I don’t know if it’s true that dissatisfaction is the highest in the United States, but if it is, it’s mere evidence that the problem is with people being complacent and ungrateful. Try telling somebody in the third world that we “have it worse” or “are getting screwed”. Heck, if we were to bring somebody from about 100 years ago to where we are right now and tell them how bad we have it, they would almost certainly punch us in the face and we would deserve it.
Funny thing about illegal immigration, now a lot of farms are suffering because they are losing their workforce. While Rhio2k actually has valid reasons as to why he hates illegal immigration, his personal anger doesn’t let him see the bigger picture. The rest of the U.S. is just straight retarded because they assume all illegal immigration is Mexicans coming in. Now if the media man’ed up and reported on all those canadians that are living in the U.S. without citizenship and the children that get to college only to find out they are not U.S. citizens, we’d have a better picture of the situation. Shotouts also to bilingual education not being exclusive to spanish; big ups to Hatians, Cambodians, Chinese, Japanese and other immigrant people with funny languages in the school system; also big ups to the MOTHERFUCKING BOATLOADS of illegals that came during early late 1800 and early 1900, ya’ll down count because people don’t want you to count.
Gotta keep in context though. How could we solve the world problems when we can’t solve our own?
I believe in order to help the rest of the world, we have to be able to help ourselves first.
There’s no end to progress either, I’d think they’d be more upset we were content with “almost there” for so long and not picking up where they left off.