The Current State of the World thread

power is only transfered by those who hold power to the ones asking for power, if the ones in power agree to it. So, the transfer of power from one group to another happens only if the ones in power allow it to happen. MLK could have rambled all of his life if he wanted to. The only reason black people got thier rights was because Lyndon B. Johnson pushed the subject on congress a lot, called in a lot of favors, and the general population was afraid of mass rioting. THe same thing happened in India. Had WW2 not happened and ruined the British Empire, the fuck England would have let go of that colony. With limited resources and no money to fund a force to “squash the rebel scum”, they saw it easier to let go of the colony and keep influences there. The exact opposite happened in Vietnam. The French did not ever give up Vietnam, and fought against those who wanted to free the nation. Then it escalated into the Vietnam we know. Its easy to say peaceful civil disobedience works when one doesn’t look at the entirety of the picture. The opposing side, which usually fights under the banner of “freedom or equality”, does so in a way where they make it clear that they won’t take it anymore and will do what needs to be done.

On the Hitler thing, did come to that conclusion based only on what you have read in your High School history book, and a few History channel? To make that statement is to have refuse to acknowledge what he did in the entirety of his life. Have you read anything about him, or done more research to make that statement? Just because there is this aura of taboo and this per-concieved notion of supposed most evil man ever (which in reality, Stalin easily takes from Hitler) doesn’t mean you can make blanket statements because of the really fucked up shit he did or allowed to happen.

He turned a broken, starving, defeated, humiliated people…into the most prosperous nation in the world. He did it in about 6 years, in peace time, through the re-industrialization, re-restructuring, and rebuilding of infastructre of Germany. Keep in mind he didn’t steal the “Jew” gold into after 1941, when the Holocaust was enacted. He didn’t steal their jobs until after 1938 after the night of broken glass, Germany was already built up and running while the rest of the world lay dying. So no, he didn’t build up Germany of the gold of the Jews. I understand the hate, and the warrant of that hate, but at least know something before making that statement. To dismiss his leadership as poppy cot bullshit is somewhat ignorant. Things can always be learned from something or somebody.

Its crazy really, that a lot of those evil’s he belived in, where widley accepted throught the white man’s world. That extreme hate wasn’t limited only to the Nazi party.

But i don’t liken it to the US-Israel position. (Although, my belief is that, that blind relationship is more toxic and harmful than good). I liken it more to the one percent situation. Small population, hold a disproportionate amount of wealth, have to much of a say in politics, and don’t fulfill their civic duties as citizens. If things don’t stabilize soon, which it seem like they won’t. (Greece is trying to prosecute and imprison for life a technocrat that assessed that Greece has been lying about how much it deficit really is, 15.8% of its GDP, compared to what it said was 12%. US passing obscene and unconstitutional laws, etc). People will get feed up and turn violent if things really hit the fan.

Your views on the desire of power and the transfer of power are very dark. Let’s see if they hold true at our current time, because everything that you mentioned occurred at a time when most people were none the wiser about the gravity of the events.

For example the people during the civil rights era wanted equality, an end to segregation, to be ensured a right to vote. I’m pretty sure that most of them just wanted them for their immediate effects on themselves and on their people. But I can imagine that most of them did not realize the effect it would have on the masses to shift the way that future generations thought. To take unconscious preconceptions such as racial superiority and the acceptance of injustices based upon race, and weaken their grips on the minds of the masses. It wasn’t just a win for black people and minorities, it was a triumph over ignorance and injustice.

So for the Occupy movement, there are certain people who are affiliated with it that are in it for their own problems (no healthcare, debt, jobless, homeless). So their view of it probably differs from my view of it. I’m looking at it “big picture”. This movement is a gauge of sorts. It will either accomplish something important, or it will expose the truth about how much power the people really have in our system. Whether or not our belief in democracy, our right to vote, and the power of the people is really just a facade in this system.

About Hitler, if you read my previous statement you would see my point of view. For myself I believe that “the means” have to justify “the ends”. I haven’t read Mein Kampf (or however its spelled), but I do have some knowledge about him, who he was, and what he did. Maybe not every detail.

I know you’re just playing devil’s advocate. You’re not actually saying what he did was good right? As far as I’m concerned if he committed injustices against masses of people (jewish, polish, homosexuals, etc), and if he ruled by force then he was not a good man. Maybe to some people he was good, but from a global or human perspective he wasn’t.

For me fascism is a no-no, and crimes committed based upon ignorance and hatred is a no-no. I don’t care if he did all these great things. The guy was preaching hate. Love your country, love your race, hate the other guys. That’s called ignorance. If he would have been saying love yourselves, love your neighbors, love the world, let’s do all this great shit but let’s do it the right way, then it would have been a different story.

MLK = love
Hitler = hate

I used to be all MLK is cool, but he’s just a Christian. What does he know right? But the more I heard what he had to say, I began respecting him even more. Hate is easy. Especially for guys. But it takes balls to talk about love. He doesn’t give a fuck about how sissy he looks lol.

But for real hate is so fucking easy.

points to internet

But love… love is hard. Imagine if we could all love more. The world wouldn’t be this fucked up. Think about it…

Yup. Power is taken not granted, which is why I fear that violence may be the only answer at this point. That said there is something to be said for Gandhi and King’s method of non-violence. When correctly implemented it can be very powerful.

Also I’ve heard that Jews actually financed Hitler (which would’ve been a brilliant move) but I haven’t really looked into it myself.

The wikileaks/Batman/vigilante route is intriguing but it’s pointless if everyone is on the elites payroll.

it is, but time and time again, we have proven that is the case. Power transfers only when those in power allow it. Even now, or supposed benign government will not give up power if asked to do so, which we are asking them to do. Are we not asking them to drop those corporate paychecks and do the job they swore to do? I don’t think my point of view is dark, but rather, its the truth. For me to ignore this fact would be the equivalent of me living in a fantasy land. The sooner we all realize this, the sooner we can rationalize solutions. Rather than wait until its to late and then violently lash out.

Im sure the black community had an idea of what an end of segregation would do. They knew it would lead to equality and a better life for them, and more importantly their children. Hell, the symbols of the civil rights movement new this. MLK with Lv.12 Yomi knew that beliefs of racial superiority would wane. Because how could those beliefs continue to flourish in a system where black interacts with white? Its obvious that the average black man at the time may have not thought of the long term consequences of such actions, but the others and the leaders knew, those who knew where pushing the movement. Other wise they wouldn’t have fought for it so much. The whites knew of the consequences as well, they knew that their children would have to interact, with a supposed “inferior race”, they where afraid that given the chance, black people would prove to whites that they where just as good. They where afraid of the paradigm shift that would ensue when the blacks where given all the same opportunites whites where given.

Im not saying that everything he did was good. Im looking at it from a different perspective. It would be foolish not to acknowledge the good he did and the qualities he had as a leader, on the basis of what we are told about him. He did bad things, and allowed what is a great evil to befall upon a people, but that doesn’t mean I won’t acknowledge the good he did for his people, and believe it or not humanity. You do also know why he hated Jews right? Well Ill leave it at that, im not justifying the hate, but knowing where the hate comes from certainly gives you a new perspective to look at.

As for hate, thats an interesting subject.

Actually the Jews (for clarity sakes, not the whole of the Jews, but one particular family by the name of Rothschild did fund them). There are a lot of conspiracies as to why. But that would take us way off topic. But what is know for sure is that they funded them.


on topic, and a very serious note. It passed. The world is now the United States playground, and huberous corpus is suspended if the pretense is national security.

Once they get all our rights. The guns will be next.

EDIT: To be fair this bill is only in effect for one year, but I can’t help but feel that it is a precursor of things to come.

Remember that old show “Whose line is it?”

According to the FBI, you might be a terrorist if:

some nice ones:

You shield your PC screen from others for privacy reasons
You use a VPN
You use VOIP, especially while gaming
You use code or slang
You use a portal or mask your IP address
You download ‘radical’ content

I like how they make a note to jot down the ethnicity of suspicious people. I wonder how many of those suspicious people will be white?

lets add to the list

cache of ammo, more than 50 rounds of ammunition
have multiple rifles
have multiple handguns
order chemicals on the interwebz

fuck this nation and for which it stands, because it sure as fuck doesn’t stand for the constitution any more.

Also, inb4 Mitt Rommney despises the poor…

pedoviejo+sovi3t 's description just SCREAMS white people lol

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In regards to the jew gold topic the only thing I remember, which would have led to Hitler getting jew gold, was the gold that was made by Bismarck and a man by the name of Blechroder (sp?) who was a representitive of the Rothchilds and came to represent wealth for the German Empire or rather for Prussia. However much of this was done in Bismarcks time which would put it before world war one and well before hitler formed the Reich. What is interesting was the Anti jew sentiments in Germany were beginning to pick up exponentially before the Nazi’s were around, in Bismarcks time.

this blinding generalization and description of both me and soviet just SCREAMS someone who is from a minority.

In B4 I check the Mexican box in my government forms.

and so was eugenics. Hitler didn’t make eugenics popular or relevant, and people had hated Jews as much as Hitler government did before Hitler. Hitler was funded by Rothchild.

White guilt coupled with black ignorance is a powerful thing. And everyone who knew Mr. Soetoro before he was picked as a presidential puppet says he’s either lying or greatly exaggerating in all his books.

I cannot believe anybody takes Romney seriously. The man is a walking caricature of the kind of professional bullshitter politicians you’d see in cartoons. His entire persona is built on pandering to people’s knee-jerk reactions, and he hides it so poorly that I don’t think he even cares if anybody notices.

Newt is a bad joke. Paul is crazy, but he can’t win anyway, so he’s relatively harmless.

Obama will go down in history as the last presidential candidate who wasn’t a total obvious farce during his campaign. He waited until he was in office to lay that card on the table.

There needs to be some kind of emergency power we can invoke when the pool of candidates has reached this level of awfulness.

yeah, after Obama leaves office, they’re gonna have to run women, just to keep people interested in the election. I look at every Republican candidate and I fucking LOL

How you figure that? I mean to be totally honest, the downside i can truly hit on Obama is that he’s trying too damn hard to get both parties to come together when it ain’t gonna happen and he panders too much to the bullshit instead of pushing what he truly wants to happen. Granted he has gotten things he said he was gonna do accomplished so yeah.

Am I the only one who believes Osama won the war on terror, despite him being dead?

3000+ dead at 9/11

  • another 4000+ American troops that were killed overseas in the arab countries trying to get him (effectively doubling the casualties)
  • countless civilian casualties in bombing attacks done in al Quidea’s name
  • The casualties of the other army’s helping to get Osama in Pakistan
  • He got the world (and mostly America) so far up it’s own ass in fear
    = Him winning, IMO.

Seriously? How are things back in 2008? Word of warning: all non-GD areas of SRK are about to become incredibly annoying.

you’re not the only one.

On another note, how bout Russia and China standing up to Europe and America?

but you have to choose one. Which flavor would work and taste best?

Its all setups man.

I’m convinced that there is no good candidate for president 2012…

Obama has done some messed up shit. Unethical.

The republicans, all of them will get us into a war with Iran. No thanks.

And Ron Paul is racist… And aside from that my values don’t align with his. I think a completely free-market economy would leave us more vulnerable to corporations running roughshod all over us. Plus the “elite” would keep gobbling up all of the capital until everything is privatized and distribution of wealth would be even more extreme than it already is.