Again, this is why poli sci class drove me nuts. What you just explained is exactly what we do now, except the RBE model is implying we should do it for free. How? What are these technical jobs that require more education that will reinvent how labor works?
Right, but, as long as there has been currency or products for trade there has been capitalism. The whole “Free hand of the market” is just the spirit that naturally exists as people will always want the best deal with what they have.
Ok, again, that’s what we do now already. I think the real flaw with the RBE model is that is that it stands on the idea that resources are infinite. All the free labor, and free resources being invented by this utopian society has to be fueled by something. What is it? We know for a fact that resources are actually finite, and as long as there is a finite amount of something it will always have a value. This is before you even take into account the procurement of that resource, the distribution, the ::shocker:: supply and and demand for it, or it’s varying relation to other resources.
I mean, if there was some kind of infinite power source that could fuel all the worlds energy needs forever, maybe this model could work. Other than that, i think it is really dodging some very basic, economic 101 principles.
Here’s an example: We are over reliant on oil, which is a non-renewable resource. There is only so much we can use. So it is going against some of the fundamental principles of a RBE, in that it is not efficient (or the most efficient anymore), it is not sustainable, and overly harmful to the environment.
But it is okay to do in a free market system, because the main concern is supply and demand. Free market. It doesn’t matter that is inefficient, and harmful to the environment, so long as there is a demand. You can obviously see why this is bad, because it has been left unchanged and has caused and continues to cause global climate change (pollution of ground water, air pollution, pollution in the ocean, climate change).
I linked directly to pertinent information, so you don’t have to watch the rest of it if you don’t want. Although it contains a lot of good information on a variety of subjects. The facts and information are good, but it is “slanted” in the sense that it uses them to create a powerful argument.
How do we do it for free? That’s a vague question and misleading question. A better question would be how do we do it? Because money will not be used to exchange for goods and services, so technically everything is for “free”. But it cannot be taken in the context of our current system.
When all of the basic needs of people are provided for they will not be working to provide them for themselves. Therefore instead of doing jobs that involve money, they will have all of their basic needs met, and be able to educate themselves further in any direction they wish to take.
The manual labor jobs such as factory jobs, or others will eventually be taken over by mechanization (as it already has begun in the automotive industry and many others). This isn’t a bad thing, it just means that jobs that needed people to do them, will be done. Therefore the people will be able to do other things with their life. Some examples would be all of the fields of science (health, space, environmental etc.), math, architecture, art, engineering, etc. No more uneducated workers doing repetitive jobs (boohoo).
There ARE (semi) infinite power sources. They are called renewable energy. I’m sure you’ve heard about it. There is solar energy, wind energy, tidal (created from tides) energy, wave (motion of the ocean) energy, and geothermal (using the heat of the Earth) energy. And there is also new advances for clean nuclear technology using thorium, but I’m scared of nuclear energy so I need to look into it more.
And we have the technology to create clean drinkable water, which isn’t accessible to a lot of people around the planet. And also to produce enough food for everyone.
The RBE is more environmentally responsible than any free market system could ever be.
Please don’t refute me by saying the sun isn’t infinite, or something like that. It will obviously last us long enough to find solutions to that problem as well, if our society advances in time.
My rational side says I don’t have time to go, because I spend the majority of my time reading and involved with school. My philosophical side I can make time. I know what it, though. I just don’t agree with most of it.
and i put the normal in quotation marks to imply average american idiot. you know “mainstream America”
I know its not a mob of angry people. Im just talking as If i was on the other end of the stick and pretended to not be aware of what’s going on. For somebody who isn’t involved in this, that’s what it looks like. Not that it is, but it may look like that to politicians.
Remember you aren’t supposed to market to the people who will come, you got to market to the skeptics and entise them. It just doesn’t look like that is the case. You could be as organized as you want on the inside, but the outside is what matters the most to outsiders.
Im just saying its going to get ugly
they make you play by the thier rules by making you look bad, and making you obey the law by force.
I did hear a rather interesting thing on the radio today. Of 3% of the total unemployment, that x amount of people could get jobs because of something called, structural unemployment. So if they actually went and got jobs where they would have to bite the bullet they could get a job easily.
So the economist had a really good point
Many of “those” jobs aren’t coming back, so people have to go back and get a degree that matters, or move.
YOu could also extend that logic to where,
a degree isn’t a a degree. If you want a job, you have to get a degree in some trade that isn’t outsource-able, and is relevant anywhere in the world. so if you want a degree in “The Arts”, “Music”, “History”, etc, you better have a real job and persue your dreams as a hobby.
Appearance matters more than substance. Just look at politicians lol.
And yeah, the job market isn’t looking too good, especially in certain areas.
My mentality is that you should know what is going on, and what’s going wrong, but instead of just accepting it, you should do your best to try and change it. That’s just me.
Unrelated: There’s a lot that they don’t teach you in school. So you enter the world thinking you know everything, when in reality you don’t know shit. Education really needs to be reformed and updated big time.
I’m going to be on hiatus for a while (I know you guys are probably cheering at your desks). Things are starting to take off with my local movement and other volunteer things. Also I need to focus on applying myself to school as much as my other new found passions, so I won’t be responding as frequently.
That is a a simple example of product innovation, and that and the food issue are clear examples of what we do now. As for distributing the coats, I feel like the real problem of the RBE model is again resurfacing, in that it fails to recognize the free distribution model it uses is only something that would work if resources were infinite, something addressed before.
Well, that is mostly true, and we should for sure find a new source of energy, but the reality is we don’t just use petroleum for automobiles. I think 90% of our products, including medicines and plastics are petroleum based, so yeah, that is a big hurdle.
So, there would be nothing to make the exchange of said goods and services easier than the actual hand to hand, physical trading of these resources?
Have you read Brave New World?
I knew solar power would come up lol. I agree that many of these technologies should be improved and implemented in society, but atm we do not have a way to get the energy from these sources that we need. I am all for them though and I think in the future they will be truly viable sources of energy when we harness them correctly. Again, though, when I spoke of energy sources, it was from an economic point of view which is what I feel RBE is not taking into account.
Even without money, or if money is abolished, resources are not infinite. I was referring to the fact that maybe with an infinite source of energy we could attempt to supply everybody with their needed resources, but how can everybody be supplied by a resource if it is not infinite? If the resources are not infinite, then they take on an intrinsic value that all other finite resources would inherently have as well. So, naturally, supply and demand factor in. It’s really how civilization started
Then you missed the point entirely. Though you do a good job of exemplifying the divisiveness and childish hatred that’s the number one reason why nothing will ever be fixed. You’d rather marginalize and insult people that are on your side on three quarters of the issue because of that paltry extra twenty five percent. Tragic, but that’s the way the world works. Incidentally, that’s also exactly how this supposed super-elite wants it to work too.
In theory it’s almost perfect. In practice it relies too heavily on altruism to be realistically implementable. You have to create a system to positively stimulate human impulses, not suppress them. The latter case almost always leads to the society rapidly devolving into totalitarianism and eventually collapse.
A RBE will manage resources much better than a free market system ever could. The basis of a RBE is science, which will economize the use of resources. In a free market system they are distrubed solely based on demand, and demand is almost never an accurate portrayal of necessity. An example would be our society which is based on over consumption, which is artificially increased with advertising.
You are thinking too small. Distribution will be available, but it might not be what you imagine. Science is about solving problems, if there is a need to distribute, a system will be created based on efficiency and sustainability.
“Resources aren’t infinite”. Well if that is the case we will figure out solutions to that problem, first by making our current technology the most efficient and responsible, then later by creating alternatives. Science does not stop advancing just because it is making profits, it only does this in a free market system.
There will be supply and demand, but it will also take into account the limited resources of the environment. And supply and demand will not be calculated in a free market sense, it will be calculated in a scientifical sense. That is why it is hard to understand, because you can only compare it to our current context of an economy.
Please if you didn’t see the links to the video I posted, please watch them. I took the time to find the specific parts that talked about your concerns. Please watch them if want a better understanding.
You seem like a strong advocate of capitalism. Why? Why do you try to maintain the status quo? It is based off of exploitation and oppression. We are creating wars to create business for the arms, oil, and banking industry of this country. As long as we want things cheap, we have to oppress people in order to get them at prices we can afford. To me this isn’t right. It doesn’t matter how far away they are from us, or how different they look, they are people like us.
That reason alone is enough for me to support a Resource Based Economy. And it based on science, which means it is based on logic and reason. Capitalism is more closely related to a religious doctrine. In order to support it you must accept on faith that the system it self is correct, (which it isn’t if you knew about the origins). Science is not racist. Science has no opinion only truth, that can be tested and recreated.
Read the huffington post in its entirety. What is already known that the post restates is that it costs the bank money to keep low balance accounts. The majority of those transfers are doing the bank a favor. Banks aren’t stupid, a lot of it was strategy as a business structured “gtfo” to the people who only have checking accounts that are already on life support, balance-wise. I don’t sympathize with these large banks but I’m looking at them from a business perspective: you don’t increase profitability and shareholder stakes in your business by giving away your resources without some form of benefit.
No financial institution that holds your money is free. I definitely respect what the organized protest is sending as a message to big banks but I sincerely hope these protesters aren’t thinking there IS a such thing as a free lunch.
I dont think the bank transfers are gonna accomplish anything IMO. Until we start to print our own currency and stop using the Fed’s we still gonna be eating out of their palm.
Im definitely hearing em. Iran isnt gonna go down without a fight. Israel is absolutely bloodthirsty, and the IAEA sounds like an invitation for NATO/US to get involved.
I hope not but it seems that war is inevitable.
I heard that US Congress is trying to pass a bill to make it illegal for the president to make contact with Iranian officials without congressional approval 15 days in advance. Thus making it hard for diplomacy between nations.
This is the Keystone XL pipeline. Here’s some info about it.^
If Obama lets this pass I will not vote for him, and I will speak out against him.
I don’t know who to vote for. Ron Paul is freakin racist and Obama is a corporate puppet (kind of). Free market capitalism won’t help the people how they need it imo.
so if OWS eventually pushes what they want through, then what???
The real issue of accountability was never addressed, and thus allows future asshole’s to keep believing that they can continue generating money from nothing. If federal government downsizes, Local government is just as currupt and twisted as federal government. Rich people get a tax hike, and we never address the 1600+ page code that rules us all full of loopholes. And the people then reafirm the belief that if the people want it so, it should be so.
Government downsizes, when it could have instead poured money in rebuilding infrastructure and education. Funding in what is already limited research stops.
???
TL;DR, OWS wins, then what? What was really accomplished
Also INB4 dumbass nation of Isreal and United States does dumb shit pre-emptive strike against Iran under pretense of WMD, only to have Russia join the fray, then China take over the world. Then live under stupid and backward ass Chinese landlords demanding, “you pay rent now you late!”, when its the first of the month and rent is due on 30th.
