Her drill kick does like no damage at all. Cammy can do pretty much nothing to Blanka on wakeup that you shouldn’t be able to punish or stop. lmao It’s 21 frames in SF4, not sure about Super, not great not terrible, but his range with it was like 3rd best in the game. Walking up doesn’t mean walking right up to her face, although, personally I love to mix it up with Cammy and stay up in her face sometimes, I have pokes and combos too. In the context I used it in it means not letting her walk you back into a corner, keeping the spacing you want, dictating the match. Anything you say about FA baiting is true with anyone that fights against Cammy, not just Blanka, it’s risk vs reward for everyone. You act as if someone automatically knows what you’re going to do when you start a charge before you do it, which isn’t the case at all. The whole point of FA baiting is to leave a level of uncertainty in your opponent’s mind. Can Cammy dash and cannon drill you if you do a full charge, sure, she can also mistime it and eat the full FA, devastating. She could also do nothing because the previous 4 times you mixed up canceling back and forward. Or, she could assume you’re going to let a full charge go because you did it before, only to be blocked and punished after you dash out of it at the last second. I’ve lost count of how many times a Cammy who knows the matchup well has eaten a level 3 charge against me. That’s what happens when you mind fuck someone, they tend to make mistakes they normally wouldn’t make. You’ve taken them out of the comfort zone of pattern play and punk turtling.
And, anyone that says they’ve never been tricked or taken damage with a FA on wakeup is lying. Hey, it might have only been because your fingers or hand slipped trying to backdash or use an armor breaker but it still happened. A perfect example of someone who knows the matchup but still got mind fucked is Diago losing to a Dan of all characters. He got destroyed because the Dan player didn’t let him sit in his comfort zone of oh I’m going to play like a girl and not do anything until you do anything, dude got owned by so many FA cancels and FA hits it was hilarious. FA baiting is good if for no other reason than that. I never said it’s something you should base your whole game around though, in fact I believe I said you didn’t need to bait with it at all against Cammy. The reason you guys are getting owned by Cammies is because you’re too scared to take any damage from her when that makes no sense at all, you can take more damage than she can, you can dish out more damage than she can. I’ll trade all day with Cammy and won’t think twice about it. I wouldn’t dare do that with Balrog, I have to hit him more than he has to hit me. Plus, he doesn’t have to do much at all to win against Blanka. A complete scrub could destroy you with Rog and I wouldn’t criticize you too much.
I’m just going to agree to disagree with you, I can’t really argue with you especially when you say things like Blanka outdamages Cammy, which is very much not the case.
You obviously don’t know this matchup. EX Up Ball is punishable ON HIT with mk Cannon Drill for the same damage, or with Super/Ultra 1 from nearly 3 times the damage and you end up in the same position. You can’t backdash either because it’s super easy for Cammy to option select Cannon Drill from a meaty dive kick or even a blockstring to beat it. You can EX Rainbox out with a guess, but that’s also punishable. Ultra 1 is obviously a big risk. Stop posting about this matchup because just about everything you posted is wrong.
Please stop tying, you don’t know what the fuck you’re arguing about. No one said anything about random EX upballs, rainbows, or backdashes on wakeup but you. You didn’t list a single thing Cammy can do to Blanka on wakeup he can’t stop or punish. Why would you upball her when she has full meters at all anyway, unless she’s in the air and you’re sure you’ll get a knockdown? Blanka has many ways to punish without his balls. Are you really arguing that Cammy has more stamina than Blanka, like really? Again, I’ll trade with Cammy all day. How about her Super or Ultra being stronger? Nope, didn’t think so. You’re basically saying if I play like a complete random idiot she can punish me, well um, duh. :lol:
Yea, we’ll agree to disagree. He can definitely inflict more damage with his ultra and super. I’ll compose a list of damage percentages in relation to stamina.
Blanka stamina 1000
Cammy stamina 950
…rounding for all.
Cammy
Cannon Drill EX - 16% of Blanka’s meter if both hits connect, not sure if only one does.
Cannon Drill Hard - 14%
Cannon Spike EX - 15%
Cannon Spike Hard - 10%
Spin Knuckle all - 16%
Hooligan Combination EX - 12%
Hooligan Combination Hard - 10%
Cannon Strike EX - 8%
Cannon Strike Hard - 6%
Average damage per move - 12%
Average EX damage - 13%
Average high damage without meter - 11%
Super - 35%
Ultra - 46%
Ultra 2 - 47%
Blanka
Electric Thunder EX - 16%
Electric Thunder Hard - 15%
Beat Roll EX - 12%
Beast Roll hard - 13%
Backstep Roll EX - 13%
Backstep Roll Hard - 14%
Vertical Roll both - 13%
Average per move - 14%
Average per EX move - 14%
Average high damage without meter - 14%
Super - 42%
Ultra 1 - 52%
Ultra 2 P - 53%
Ultra 2 K - 44%
Blanka can clearly inflict way more damage on her than she can on him with his Super and 2 of his Ultras. He also dishes out more damage per move.
Then what are you going to do to her once she gets Ultra and she knocks you down? Just block and tech? Guess what? You can’t because she does instant dive kick to beat your crouch tech. Backdash? Option Select beats it. Jump? Can’t jump out of a meaty.
And posting average damage output means absolutely nothing. Cammy can perform safe combos with requiring charge.
I made the noob mad with too much common sense. Instant dive kicks aren’t some magical tool that disables teching grab attempts. :lol: I don’t know who told you that. I tech them all the time. Not to mention there are other ways of stopping that nonsense, I’ll let you figure them out on your own since you know it all. You da masta. :karate: The master of getting your ass handed to you by spammy Cammies. ahahaha
Wrong and wrong, I’ve already done both. I don’t even consider myself all that good, just decent. Eh, it depends on when you play me, I fight like complete shit when I’m tired, and I fight a lot when I’m tired. That’s what makes this discussion so funny to me. I don’t see how y’all are getting raped so easily by Cammy. :lol: Sim, Dic, Rog, Sag, sure, but not Cammy, not unless the players is one of the best ever. Keep in mind I play against people that use macros all day. Cammy is still my bitch.
Cammy is 6-4 her way for sure. Cammy hurts alot more than Blanka does for one. Another thing is that Cammys wake-up game is sick with that damn cannon strike. That really can trick you. if you tech the grab, good for you, but you cant grab her again if she is doing it again (TK cannon strike x2 owns grabs. Believe me). if you whiff an electricity for some reason, you get ultra’ed. She can punish all of your balls i believe and cannon strike is a big wtf. Its active till she starts falling. That is sick. She has crazy option selects that can beat all of Blankas wake-up bullshit. So uphill. Blanka may have priority over her (maybe not sure) but this is totally in Cammy’s favor.
When you play a good Cammy, you will see what she can do to Blanka.
There’s actually some stuff I agree with Shoto Hunter… I might not agree with all his points… but just because I don’t agree with one thing he says doesn’t mean I disagree wtih everything he says. The way that everybody makes this sound like a 10-0 match up and all you can do is just sit and cry. This really isn’t the case… I do agree… this match up seems to be in favor of Cammy… but the scenarios some of you guys listed out is soooo heavily in Cammy’s favor how about if Cammy got extremely little health… like one up ball can kill her and Blanka is in the lead just chilling downback with an ex bar or two… what can Cammy do now? I just think listing out specific examples where it’s SOOOO obvious that one character is in complete advantage like Cammy getting Blanka cornered with no ex bar…while Cammy has a full super bar… come on now… or… saying how her EX dive kick can kick blanka’s ass (agree) but at the same time… she can super punish blanka… really… can she do both?!?
anyways… my point isn’t really to support Shoto Hunter but instead of trying to cry about the tough match up it’s definitely more constructive to find out ways to beat it… and I know it’s not impossible… else it’s 10-0 match up… which i’m sure most people here with any logic will agree.
I was watching this vid: [media=youtube]ClcsqsD0P0c[/media] it’s DeLucifer’s grand final in a tournament against a Cammy player. Although you can say the Cammy isn’t THE BEST… however this match up video you do see some ways of how DeLucifer deals with Cammy… and as you can see… please watch the entire vid, it is quite entertaining and imo a pretty good match.
Obviously like any vids… nobody is god… so just because someone messes up something or chooses one option over the other… this is just part of the game and decision making process…
He did a good job of coming back but was pretty much blocking with his face the first few rounds. It’s like dude has never blocked a cross up attempt in his life. He clearly couldn’t handle being close to her for long. Once he got away from her a little and started FA baiting it turned the fight around. That Cammy wasn’t all that good and the Blanka player missed a lot of opportunities to punish her, but I give him credit for clutching out some of those rounds and and the fight overall, decent short combos too.
I agree that it is not impossible but it is an uphill battle. That was a good vid, and DeLucifer really adapted to the Cammy bullshit. But the thing is that he didn’t play his usual game. He had to change it. Thats what makes that match-up bad IMO.
Hm… I guess this is what Gamerbee was saying about US players is really true to their style and if they are known for one style they stick with it. From where I’m from… and from playing other fighting games competitively in the past (10 years in other fighting games) the goal is to play to win.
Adapting mid match or next round imo is a necessity. If your preferred style doesn’t work… time to switch it up… it’s simple… match up knowledge is a reference of how to counter against a certain character IF they play by a certain type of strategy or use certain type of moves… but lets say my style is a turtle defensive style that relies on pokes and normals against lets say a Ryu player… if i find out my opponent SUCKS at throw break… you can be sure I’ll try to abuse throws whenever I get a chance. You should be playing according to your opponent’s strength and weaknesses. Or another example… I’m playing an Abel player who could only punish my blocked ball 1 out of 10 times… (without ultra)… although the match up says Abel can punish your ball with dash into step kick but if my opponent can’t perform it… once again… if he can’t punish it… it’s his loss my win… although I will regularly not ball against someone who can punish it regularly… but for this opponent I will ball much more.
Anyways… the fact that he adjusted and adapted and pulled off a win… that shows DeLucifer was the better player that day.
Good points Lau. If you play the same style your predictable and easier to play against. I find this to be a reason why I lose some times, I just get in a pattern or flowchart. Gotta mix it up a bit, although some matchups do require a certain style, mix it up within that style.
A perfect example of someone who knows the matchup but still got mind fucked is Diago losing to a Dan of all characters. He got destroyed because the Dan player didn’t let him sit in his comfort zone of oh I’m going to play like a girl and not do anything until you do anything, dude got owned by so many FA cancels and FA hits it was hilarious. FA baiting is good if for no other reason than that. I never said it’s something you should base your whole game around though, in fact I believe I said you didn’t need to bait with it at all against Cammy. The reason you guys are getting owned by Cammies is because you’re too scared to take any damage from her when that makes no sense at all, you can take more damage than she can, you can dish out more damage than she can. I’ll trade all day with Cammy and won’t think twice about it. I wouldn’t dare do that with Balrog, I have to hit him more than he has to hit me. Plus, he doesn’t have to do much at all to win against Blanka. A complete scrub could destroy you with Rog and I wouldn’t criticize you too much.
Again, I’ll trade with Cammy all day. How about her Super or Ultra being stronger? Nope, didn’t think so. You’re basically saying if I play like a complete random idiot she can punish me, well um, duh. :lol: