Golovkin does not cut weight for his fights. He can make 154 easily.
That is a fight for Mayweather. So i doubt he takes it.
Golovkin has broken forearms and is somebody i could see take down mayweather.
Clinching should cost you points, it shouldnât be able to be a viable strategy at all. No one wants to see two men hugging catching their breath, or one boxer clinching another when he is in trouble. It makes no sense why this is allowed at all.
AnywaysâŚwhat a boring fight. Why the hell was Pac coming from the front all the time? Floyd has a great jab and a massive reach advantage. Pac also specializes in coming at different angles super fast, but that seemed mostly absent here. Canât believe I wasted my money on this. Also if this was supposed to revive boxing, judging by the general public reaction it failed badly.
It was never going to revive boxing unless Manny won by knockout. The general public has no patience for anything that isnât flashy. Thatâs one of the reasons boxingâs declined. Because fighters realized that itâs a better bet to focus on points rather than trying to be a KO artist.
People donât appreciate defense or slowness. If the Super Bowl turned into a 7-6 defensive grind, itâd be called a bad Super Bowl regardless of the quality of play. General public wants speed, they want strength, they want flashiness. It sucks but what can you do?
I WILL agree however that Floyd abused the clinch a bit too much. Defense should be rewarded but the Clinch is far too easy to abuse to count. Correct blocks, head movement, maneuvering out of the corner, getting the opponent to punch themselves out, countering. Those are the hallmarks for good defense and what scoring should try to reflect too. Clinching though was a get out of jail free card that could seemingly be endlessly abused by Floyd. It was like having an Unlimited Burst. Iâm sure there was a hard limit on how much he could clinch in a round before points got deducted but when your defense is so good that your opponent will only ever make you use it once or twice a round max thatâs irrelevant.
No one denies that Clinching is a great tactic but using it TOO much is against the rules it wasnât just the clinching itself but even the seperation of it. After watching it for the 3rd time, every time manny tried to go on the aggression (in angles) he was hugged and the ref would seperate them after turning mayweather towards the center (or just away from the ropes) of the ring. Aside from that, Mayweather was attacking the hips during every clinch. Iâm not a pac fan iâve clearly addressed before that i never had a favor in this fight and from the first viewing i had mayweather outboxing him but after watching it the 2nd and 3rd time the whole clinching thing was just way off.
Mayweather Punch Out
Ninja Edit: lmao the creator uploaded this yesterday
Well yeah people want to see a fight. As in both boxers trying to finish their opponent. In the past even with out boxers, they would go for the kill.
As for the clinch, I donât know if it should be allowed at all in boxing. Yeah it allows you to reset a bad situation or catch your breath, however how is that good for the sport?
Mayweather saw this and instantly came up with that lmao
You beat me to it, damn.
Honestly Floyd was really only clinching that much because the refs in boxing let you use it to get off the ropes. Even when Manny tried to push back and keep Floyd on the ropes, heâd just hold on longer, and the more the ref insisted, the more time and help Floyd had to turn out towards the center. If boxing refs enforced that more strictly and made fighters reset to the original position if they try to shift out on a break, we might see less of that. Letâs face it, Floydâs not the only fighter who does this.
If thereâs a stoppage in the action during an MMA bout of some kind, if the action is in a clinch or on the ground the ref will reset the fight in the exact same position, the same guard the same hand positions, everything. Boxing doesnât do that from what Iâve seen, if they get out to the center during a break they just let it rock. If the refs stopped them, put them back on the ropes where they were when they started the clinch, maybe shit would change. But right now itâs just playing the rules, you really canât even be mad about it.
*Iâll def have to watch the fight again, but to my memory Floyd reset the spacing alot of times in the fight. Floyd would slip to Mannyâs right to avoid the dominant hand then go back to the center of the ring and exploit his reach advantage. To my recollection Floyd used clinches primarily in the first 4 rounds and by the time rounds 5 and 6 came around Floyd was able to use the check left, right straight and jabs to keep Manny out. But Iâll do have to go back and watch since my memory may just be selective due to 1 viewing.
And again, thatâs why people stopped watching. Finishing the opponent and going for the kill may be flashier and more satisfying, but itâs more fruitful to focus on points and defense because getting ahead that way limits the opponentâs options in later rounds. People call it the Sweet Science and then get mad when boxers ACTUALLY treat it like a science rather than a brawl.
Most of Mayweatherâs clinching looked like he was going for a DDT at times lol
âWHAT ABOUT ME? WHAT ABOUT MONEY?â
GGG destroys guards with his punches
I liked that manny punched through mayweatherâs chest and went for the body
Biggest target there is
GGG would destroy him
Donât forget that time where Pac ended up between his legs.
Money learning a bit TOO much from HHH.
What the fuck is going on in here now.
Look, watch round 3, thats floyd clenching at its best. I think 4 times that round. Then he came in the next round, only clinched once, and basically LET manny do what he could do, as if he was just gauging his skill that whole round, and what happened, floyd out maneuvered that bum ass nigga, out defensed him, and laughed at his weak ass punches.
Round 4 is basically everything you need to know as to why manny wasnt going to win. That was one of the clear early rounds that was like, okay this dude cant fight floyd, and doesnt have the power to break floyds defense or adaptation to crack floyds rhythm.
Niggas worried bout some clinching now, when manny was just weak as shit offensively anyways. I dont know how many times the ref separated a clinch to the wrong positions. Most of the time when anyone clinches, and mayweather, they clinch and turned out of the corner, so when they broke, manny lost his position because of floyd, not the ref. Floyd does that in like every clinch in round 3 as an example.
Niggas seriously want boxers to fight like amateur street fighting mexicans in the ring these days. Floyds retiring soon, then you can all enjoy a new champ who fights like a maniac.
People too obsessed with those rank amateur mma fighters with low iqâs, who fight like it too. So when they see some calculated boxing, their brains are confused and upset.
There is intelligent fighting in every fighting sport, but it seems to be the most under appreciated in boxing, but these days, with the legion of fucking idiots that plague this planet, im not surprised they want more of trailer park john, and angry carlos the l.a mexican, wailing on each other in mma matches, than to sit through 12, 3 minute rounds of calculated boxing.
Iâm not that worried. Floyd couldâve not clinched the entire fight and still won by 5+ points. Manny fought relatively terribly.
Iâd still favor Floyd but Iâd want to watch, at least. Heâd be more active than Manny was for sure.
Also itâs occurred to me that a lot of people posting in this thread right now might actually need a primer on who the fuck ya boy Triple G is.
THIS IS THE GUY you actually wanted to pay money for, except mad people duckin him.
The other issue is can they agree on a weight? This fight was at 147, Golovkin is up in middleweight at 156. It isnât just an issue about who can make which weight, itâs an issue of getting the contracts done at a particular weight. Iâm gonna guess that Floyd doesnât feel like he needs to fight this dude, when people just payed him 100 bucks and expected a brawl for their money. They obviously donât know who the fuck Triple G is.
*Everyone can watch Triple Gâs last 5 fights in about 30 minutes lol.
I donât see any of the big names stepping up and taking on Triple G. Heâs too much of a risk for anyone with a name. *
The more I think about it, the clinches make me dirty. I donât want to think about it. Iâm a bit cut it happened how it did even though in my heart I knew it would be Mayweather on points.
It has been the sweet science ever since Joe Louis at the latest, which is a long time ago. Tactics, strategies, when to defend, when to push forward, counters, etc. Boxing was super popular then, and til recently. However even defensive boxers beforehand, would seize openings as the rounds wore on and the aggressor left himself more and more vulnerable trying to get in. There was a real interest to not leave it in the hands of the judges, if possible. If one dominated the earlier rounds, the other boxer would have to push much harder for a KO meaning taking more risks and leaving themselves open much more. Theyâve limited their opponentâs options but they use that to damage the opponent further, not just run away with a few love taps.
Boxing also has stiff competition with MMA, which does have a very high knockout/submission ratio. In addition, any clinch that is nonactive is broken up immediately, and they are reset in the same position the clinch took placeâŚnot brought to the center. Now that this supposed dream fight is over and was a massive disappointment, what do fans of boxing have to look forward to next? What really hurts is the heavyweight division has long been by far the most interesting to fans, but there hasnât been much to be excited about there in a very long time.
Boxing needs a miracle, to prosper again.
for anyone who didnât see last nightâs fightâŚits been uploaded on youtube. the whole fight.
watch it before it gets taken down. in like 5 minutes lol.