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Josh Warrington vs Davide Dieli is on now. Get at me if you need a link

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Why the fuck is Arce getting another shot at a title? Dude is beyond shot, as his fight with Donaire proved. He doesn’t make it out of the second round against Gonzales and I am willing to put money on that.

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What?

Dude James Toney was top five Pound for Pound when he fought Roy and was the favorite going in. Of course Toney was weight drained when he fought him having to drop forty pounds to make weight (something like five weeks), however Roy took advantage of James flaws that were always known about the guy, i.e he was terrible at countering people who were superior athletes than him and found at distance. Bernard wasn’t the Executioner yet, but he hits his prime beginning with the rematch with Mercado and lost like maybe four or five rounds in like the next 13 title defenses before he destroyed Tito. In between Roy beat up some quality opposition like Byrd, Hall, Virgil Hill, Montel Griffin, Clinton Woods, Eric Harding and Reggie Johnson. Plus I gotta tell you I scored the first fight with Tarver for him because he turned it on the last five rounds while Tarver didn’t do shit.

Look the guy did beat up his fair share of bums like Vinny Paz (who was a good fighter fighting well past his prime and 30 pounds above his best weight) and Glen Kelly. Yet with that being said the dude, in my opinion, is still one of the top 50 boxers in history and that is saying alot and it is a toss up between he and Pernell Whitaker for best fighter of the 90s (Whitaker was awesome until 1995, but after his drug problems started to take control around 96 he was hit and miss and struggled against guys he would have shut out just two years before him). Top 3 all time at Super Middleweight, top 10 to 15 at Light Heavyweight.

As for Floyd,[details=Spoiler] I used to be one of his harshest critics, but that was back in the days when he was coming off of a 3 year span when he did absolutely nothing of consequence after those two close fights with Castillo. However, beginning with the Baldomir fight he had solidified his legacy in my book even without fighting Pacquiao.

All of the earmarks for greatness he ranks as one of the best in history including dominance in a weight class (top 3 all-time at 130 pounds), longevity, titles won in weight classes and yes quality of opposition.

Gatti is a hall of famer. De La Hoya was still a very good fighter at 154 pounds and coming off one of his best performances against Mayorga and is also a hall of famer. Mosley is a hall of famer, Judah was one of the top 3 guy at Welterweight when he fought him, Baldomir was the recognized champ, and Marquez is one of the best offensive fighters in history and his fights with Pacquiao at the weight put his loss to Mayweather at a better light. Cotto is a hall of famer and the recognized top guy at 154 when he fought him. Canelo was the linear champ at 154 and Ortiz, Guerrero, and Maidana were all legitimate title holders. That’s an amazing record. Is he the greatest fighter Pound for Pound in history because of his win loss record? Nope. Remember Willie Pep went 67-0 before his first loss and Chavez Sr. went 89-0-1 before his first loss (that draw should have been a loss though as Whitaker got robbed. Of course Ray Robinson went 121-1 at Welterweight (put that in perspective). Plus his fights with Castillo, when he went 24 near even rounds with him, showed that he was vulnerable to guys with a jab, footwork and guys who can loop his punches over the top. He also struggled badly against Judah the first half of the fight and was losing going into the second half before turning it around. Plus Cotto gave him all he can handle in the middle rounds too and had him hurt. Based on this guys like Pernell Whitaker, Chavez, and Terry Norris would have given him all he could handle and I’d pick Whitaker at 135 pounds and Norris at a catchweight at say 151 to beat him (Norris is a style nightmare for the guy because of his size and he was a better athlete and because he could holes on people’s defense where others couldn’t).[/details]

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I only mentioned those guys because they were the best names he fought. Trinidad was done by the time he fought Jones, Lacy was coming off 2 losses, but still legit and we all saw what happened with B. Hop and Calzaghe.

Jones was great, no doubt, but I this chick that I had over said it best when I had his Wiki page up. “His opponents don’t even have Wikipedia entries!” Shit had me rolling, but it’s essentially true. He had 2 quality victories (Lacy and Hopkins) and then didn’t really fight anybody for 20 fights.

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If Mayweather thinks he’s that good, then why doesn’t he move up to higher weight classes and/or challenge boxers from higher weight classes? The Big Show doesn’t count…

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Why? Silva can’t handle Floyd in a boxing match.

Also it is clear that Floyd is all about the pay day. I mean he really doesn’t have to work terribly hard to make bank. I don’t blame him though. When your whole motive is about getting money, of course the simpler path to earn you the most dough would be the logical choice.

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If it’s all about the money then why not fight Manny? Not sure how accurate this is but from what I’ve read over the past few years it would be the biggest payday for both fighters and most likely in history.

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Remember Floyd is trying to get Manny to sign with his promotion team. I think with Manny it is more to do with his beef with Arum. We all know that if Floyd and Manny fought even now, it would be the biggest payday in boxing history. But a big part of not wanting tom risk a loss and not wanting to do business with Arum is what is keeping him at bay. Or it could be that he is flat out scared. But I don’t know tbh, the fight should have happened a long time ago.

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Yeah, I’d still watch it if it happened no doubt, but the sweet spot was like 3 years ago, shame.

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Floyds legacy IMO is set due to his fights fom ODLH-Canelo. Hes def an ATG. I dont put him as TBE even if he fights and beats manny tho

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Anyone tuning into the Golovkin/Rubio fight?

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Hmm… I think that it is unarguable that Mayweather is the one who is ducking. Saying he is ducking doesn’t exactly mean that Mayweather will lose, most of the people who think Mayweather is ducking still think he will beat Pacquiao, I believe so as well. Nevertheless, every body can see that Mayweather is ducking. Even Steven A Smith admits it now.

I have no idea why some people such as the guy i quoted has a different opinion on it, it’s obviously out of being a fan or just unable to determine a ducker. You being a long time member of SRK should be able to determine an actual champion: for a champion is someone who takes on all challengers and comes out victorious in high fashion, the reason why you should be able to determine that is because SRK itself had someone who was undefeated. I may be new here, but i’ve done my research and i’ve seen that for 10+ years there have been countless religion threads and in those religion threads there was ONE. GREAT. POSTER. who would come in and just obliterate every single atheist that came in front of him. He didn’t make random new/unfair demands, no. He took on all challengers and left them bodied on the floor with his undefeated religion thread championship belt being raised above their asses. Mayweather makes too much demands that are highly ridiculous and as boxing experts say, being undefeated isn’t really a big deal if your match card is piss poor. That ONE GREAT POSTER however had other things about him then just an undefeated religion thread record. He had the greatest threads that managed to shoot from 5 stars and 5+ pages during the 1st minute of it’s publishing, he was able to control the green and rep bars at will, he was able to predict various in game advancements in UMVC3 months before it hit mainstream in the metagame. That is an example of an Undefeated Champion. He was the Undefeated Religion Thread Champion who took on all comers, he is the holier than thou, the biggest icon, the UMVC3 Prophet, and by far the Greatest Poster of Shoryuken (of all time). Which is why it is completely ludicrous for you to continue denying that Mayweather is ducking when you have an example of what real champions do, and we should put #unbanCisco on our sigs and demand that he becomes unbanned for only HE can save us all.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCa6L49LfrY#t=37

Nigga had on a cosby sweater though

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Spoiler

free dat thong thong thong thong

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Yeah that old dude put beats to that young boy’s head. It looked like the youngin’ didn’t know what the fuck he was doing in the ring, though.

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Boxer Attacks Referee at Croatian Championship and gets banned for life. The video’s in the link.

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What a moron. He just threw his career away and will go to jail all because he couldn’t take a loss. What a failure.

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Once old dude started movin, I was like “you done fucked up kid”. That grown man skrempf

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Mike Tyson gets a cartoon on adult swim.

Thank you Jesus!

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November boxing schedule.

Spoiler

Nov. 1

At Chicago (Showtime): Andrzej Fonfara vs. Doudou Ngumbu, 10 rounds, light heavyweights; Tomoki Kameda vs. Alejandro Hernandez, 12 rounds, for Kameda’s WBO bantamweight title; Javier Fortuna vs. Abner Cotto, 10 rounds, junior lightweights; Roberto Garcia vs. Kendel Mena, 10 rounds, welterweights; Caleb Truax vs. Scott Sigmon, 10 rounds, middleweights; Koki Kameda vs. Omar Salado, 10 rounds, bantamweights; Alex Martin vs. TBA, 6 rounds, welterweights; Semajay Thomas vs. TBA, 6 rounds, welterweights; Eddie Ramirez vs. TBA, 6 rounds, welterweights; Jose Felix Quezada vs. Miguel Castro, 4 rounds, lightweights; Adam Kownacki vs. TBA, 6 rounds, heavyweights; Caleb Plant vs. TBA, 4 rounds, middleweights; Demond Nicholson vs. TBA, 6 rounds, middleweights; Travis Kauffman vs. TBA, 8 rounds, heavyweights

At Caguas, Puerto Rico (UniMas): Wilfredo Vazquez Jr. vs. Jonathan Arellano, 10 rounds, featherweights; Alberto Machado vs. Alvin Torres, 8 rounds, junior lightweights; Israel Vazquez vs. Miguel Del Valle, 6 rounds, flyweights; Freddy Ortiz vs. Jonathan Feliciano, 4 rounds, junior featherweights; Jose Martinez vs. Luis Cosme, 8 rounds, junior bantamweights; Ricardo Rodriguez vs. Felix A. Perez, 4 rounds, junior featherweights; Ruben Troche vs. Michael Wicker, 4 rounds, welterweights; Clarence Booth vs. TBA, 6 rounds, welterweights; Julian Rodriguez vs. TBA, 6 rounds, junior welterweights; Bryan Chevalier vs. Antonio Vera, 4 rounds, bantamweights

At Washington, D.C.: Dusty Hernandez-Harrison vs. Michael Clark, 10 rounds, welterweights; Jarrett Hurd vs. Terry Cade, 6 rounds, junior middleweights; Mykal Fox vs. Sean Lockhart, 4 rounds, junior welterweights; Marquel Johns vs. James Franks, 4 rounds, junior featherweights; Emanuel Johnson vs. Patrick Chaffin, 4 rounds, lightweights; Dwayne McRae vs. Grover Young, 6 rounds, heavyweights; Brandon Quarles vs. Dennis Sharpe, 6 rounds, middleweights; Joshua Davis vs. John Wampash, 6 rounds, lightweights

Nov. 6

At Bangkok, Thailand: Osvaldo Novoa vs. Wanheng Menayothin, 12 rounds, for Novoa’s WBC strawweight title

Nov. 7

At Lincoln, R.I.: Shelito Vincent vs. Jackie Trivilino, 10 rounds, female junior featherweights; Angel Camacho Jr. vs. Tylon Burris, 6 rounds, light heavyweights; Ray Oliveira Jr. vs. Mike Rodriguez, 4 rounds, middleweights; Scott Sullivan vs. Oscar Bonilla, 4 rounds, lightweights; Khiary Gray-Pitts vs. TBA, 4 rounds, middleweights; Nick DeLomba vs. TBA, 6 rounds, welterweights; Joey Tiberi Jr. vs. Chazz McDowell, 6 rounds, lightweights; Zack Christy vs. Pedro Joquin, 4 rounds, super middleweights

Nov. 8

At Atlantic City, N.J. (HBO): Bernard Hopkins vs. Sergey Kovalev, 12 rounds, IBF/WBA/WBO light heavyweight unification; Luis Carlos Abregu vs. Sadam Ali, 10 rounds, welterweights; Vyacheslav Shabransky vs. Emil Gonzalez, 10 rounds, light heavyweights; Nadjib Mohameddi vs. Demetrius Walker, 10 rounds, light heavyweights; Vyacheslav Glazkov vs. Darnell Wilson, 10 rounds, heavyweights; Eric Hunter vs. William Gonalez, 10 rounds, featherweights; Sullivan Barrera vs. Rowland Bryant, 8 rounds, light heavyweights; Andrey Sirotkin vs. Michael Mitchell, 6 rounds, super middleweights; Ryan Martin vs. Isaac Gonzalez, 4 rounds, lightweights

At Bethlehem, Pa. (NBC Sports Net): Amir Mansour vs Frederic Kassi, 10 rounds, heavyweights; Dmitry Mikhaylenko vs. Ronald Cruz, 10 rounds, welterweights; Vasily Lepikhin vs. Jackson Junior, 10 rounds, light heavyweights; Sultahn Staton vs. TBA, 4 rounds, lightweights; Arturo Trujillo vs. TBA, 6 rounds, welterweights; Alexander Moskovski vs. Darren Troupe, 4 rounds, super middleweights; Anthony Caramanno vs. Omar Carroll, 4 rounds, junior featherweights

At Pharr, Texas (UniMas): Diego Magdaleno vs. Arturo Uruzquita, 10 rounds, lightweights

At Monterrey, Mexico (beIN Sports Espanol): Fernando Montiel vs. Sergio Puente, 10 rounds, junior lightweights

At Stuttgart, Germany: Felix Sturm vs. Robert Stieglitz, 12 rounds, super middleweights; Susi Kentikian vs. Naoko Fujioka, 10 rounds, female flyweights

At Krakow, Poland: Tomasz Adamek vs. Artur Szpilka, 10 rounds, heavyweights

At San Francisco: Karim Mayfield vs. Michael Balasi, 8 rounds, welterweights; Martha Salazar vs. Tanzee Daniel, 10 rounds, female heavyweights; Ricardo Pinell vs. Rahman Yusobov, 6 rounds, junior middleweights; Jonathan Garcia vs. Levan Ghvamichava, 8 rounds, junior middleweights; Adam Fiel vs. Cesar Martinez, 4 rounds, junior lightweights; Otis Seymore vs. Khrys Daniels, 4 rounds, junior middleweights; Laura Deanovic vs. Marquita Lee, 4 rounds, female featherweights

At Queretaro, Mexico: Hugo Ruiz vs. Andres Gutierrez, 12 rounds, WBC junior featherweight eliminator

At Greenhithe, England: MaxiNutrition Knockout tournament final: Bob Ajisafe vs. Travis Dickinson, 12 rounds, light heavyweights

At Chandler, Australia: Zhanat Zhakiyanov vs. Fred Mundraby, 12 rounds, bantamweights; Damien Hooper vs. Joseph Kwadjo, 10 rounds, light heavyweights; Cameron Hammond vs. Romeo Jakosalem, 10 rounds, welterweights; Rivan Cesaire vs. Paddy Murphy, 10 rounds, welterweights

Nov. 12

At Melbourne, Australia: Anthony Mundine vs. Sergey Rabchenko, 12 rounds, junior middleweights; Leonardo Zappavigna vs. Misael Castillo, 12 rounds, junior welterweights; Lucas Browne vs. TBA, 12 rounds, heavyweights

Nov. 13

At Indio, Calif. (Fox Sports 1/Fox Deportes): Joseph Diaz Jr. vs. TBA, 10 rounds, junior featherweights; Julian Ramirez vs. TBA, 8 rounds, featherweights; Diego De La Hoya vs. TBA, 6 rounds, junior featherweights; Taishan Dong vs. TBA, 4 rounds, heavyweights

At Washington, D.C.: Carlos Cuadras vs. Sonny Boy Jaro, 12 rounds, for Cuadras’ WBC junior bantamweight title; Ava Knight vs. Syndi Amador, 10 rounds, female flyweights; Jerry Odom vs. TBA, 8 rounds, super middleweight

At Westbury, N.Y.: Tommy Rainone vs. TBA, 10 rounds, welterweights; Dennis Hogan vs. TBA, 8 rounds, junior middleweights; Amanda Serrano vs. TBA, 8 rounds, female lightweights; Jarrell Miller vs. TBA, 6 rounds, heavyweights; Dave Meloni vs. TBA, 4 rounds, junior lightweights; Samuel Teah vs. TBA, 4 rounds, lightweights

Nov. 14

At San Juan, Puerto Rico: Michael Farenas vs. Jose Pedraza, 12 rounds, IBF junior lightweight eliminator

At Pittsburgh: Sammy Vasquez vs. Alberto Mosquera, 10 rounds, welterweights; Monty Meza Clay vs. Rod Salka, 10 rounds, lightweights

At Liepaja, Latvia: Mairis Briedis vs. Ismael Abdoul, 12 rounds, cruiserweights

Nov. 15

At San Antonio (HBO Latino): Gilberto Ramirez vs. Fulgencio Zuniga, 10 rounds, super middleweights; Oscar Valdez vs. Alberto Garza, 8 rounds, featherweights; Ivan Najera vs. Luis Cervantes, 8 rounds, lightweights; Casey Ramos vs. Manuel Rojas, 8 rounds, lightweights; Egor Mekhontsev vs. TBA, 8 rounds, light heavyweights; Janiel Rivera vs. TBA, 8 rounds, strawweights; Rashidi Ellis vs. TBA, 6 rounds, welterweights; Angel Acosta vs. TBA, 6 rounds, junior flyweights

At Phoenix (iron-boy.com): Victor Castro vs. Robert Rodriguez, 6 rounds, lightweights; Carlos Castro vs. John Herrera, 4 rounds, featherweights; Emmanuel Nieves vs. Ivan Garcia, 4 rounds, featherweights; Alexis Zazueta vs. TBA, 4 rounds, flyweights; Paul Romero vs. TBA, 4 rounds, junior featherweights; Keith Busch vs. TBA, 4 rounds, cruiserweights; Brian Mendoza vs. Lazaro Dominguez, 4 rounds, welterweights; Brandon Riddell vs. Aron Moreno, 4 rounds, featherweights; Emilio Garcia vs. TBA, 4 rounds, junior featherweights; Julio Sarinana vs. Jair Quintero, 4 rounds, featherweights; Edgar Brito vs. Manuel David Lopez, 4 rounds, junior featherweights

At Hamburg, Germany: Wladimir Klitschko vs. Kubrat Pulev, 12 rounds, for Klitschko’s lineal/IBF/WBO/WBA heavyweight title

At Dublin, Ireland: Matthew Macklin vs. Jorge Sebastien Heiland, 12 rounds, WBC middleweight eliminator; Spike O’Sullivan vs. Anthony Fitzgerald, 10 rounds, middleweights; Kal Yafai vs. Luke Wilton, 12 rounds, for Yafai’s Commonwealth junior bantamweight title; Michael Sweeney vs. Ian Tims, 10 rounds, cruiserweights

At Mississauga, Ontario: Youri Kalenga vs. Denton Daley, 12 rounds, for Kalenga’s WBA interim cruiserweight title

At Cebu City, Philippines: Donnie Nietes vs. Carlos Velarde, 12 rounds, for Nietes’ WBO junior flyweight title; Milan Melindo vs. Saul Juarez, 12 rounds, IBF junior flyweight eliminator

At Fairfax, Virginia: Jimmy Lange vs. Tony Jeter, rematch, 10 rounds, middleweights; Tori Nelson vs. TBA, 10 rounds, female welterweights

At Cordoba, Argentina: Carolina Marcela Gutierrez vs. Yulihan Luna Avila,10 rounds, female junior featherweights; John Jackson vs. Carlos Adan Jerez, 10 rounds, junior middleweights

Nov. 20

At Studio City, Calif.: Lydell Rhodes vs. TBA, 10 rounds, junior welterweights; Wale Omotoso vs. TBA, 10 rounds, welterweights; Shawn Estrada vs. TBA, 8 rounds, light heavyweights; Wilky Campfort vs. TBA, 8 rounds, middleweights

Nov. 21

At Sorel-Tracy, Quebec: Schiller Hyppolite vs. Alan Campa, 12 rounds, super middleweights; Michael Gadbois vs. Michal Dufek, 10 rounds, lightweights

Nov. 22

At Macau (HBO PPV): Manny Pacquiao vs. Chris Algieri, 12 rounds, for Pacquiao’s WBO welterweight title; Zou Shiming vs. Kwanpichit 13 Rien Express, 12 rounds, WBO flyweight eliminator; Vasyl Lomachenko vs. Chonlatarn Piriyapinyo, 12 rounds, for Lomachenko’s WBO featherweight title; Jessie Vargas vs. Antonio DeMarco, 12 rounds, for Vargas’ WBA “regular” junior welterweight title

At Kanagawa, Japan: Takashi Miura vs. Edgar Puerta, 12 rounds, for Miura’s WBC junior lightweight title­; Roman Gonzalez vs. Rocky Fuentes, 12 rounds, for Gonzalez’s WBC flyweight title

At Liverpool, England: Nathan Cleverly vs. Tony Bellew, rematch, 12 rounds, cruiserweights; Scott Quigg vs. Hidenori Otake, 12 rounds, for Quigg’s WBA “regular” junior featherweight title; Jamie McDonnell vs. Walberto Ramos, 12 rounds, for McDonnell’s “regular” WBA bantamweight title; Anthony Joshua vs. Michael Sprott, 10 rounds, heavyweights; Callum Smith vs. Nikola Sjekloca, 12 rounds, WBC super middleweight eliminator; James DeGale vs. Marco Antonio Periban, 12 rounds, super middleweights; George Groves vs. Denis Douglin, 12 rounds, super middleweights; Stephen Smith vs. TBA, 10 or 12 rounds, junior lightweights

At TBA, Italy: Gianluca Branco vs. Rafal Jackiewicz, 12 rounds, for vacant European welterweight title

Nov. 28

At Moscow: Ruslan Provodnikov vs. TBA, 12 rounds, welterweights

Nov. 29

At Omaha, Neb. (HBO): Terence Crawford vs. Raymundo Beltran, 12 rounds, for Crawford’s WBO lightweight title; Evgeny Gradovich vs. Jayson Velez, 12 rounds, for Gradovich’s IBF featherweight title

At London: Tyson Fury vs. Dereck Chisora, rematch, 12 rounds, WBO heavyweight eliminator/for Chisora’s European title; Billy Joe Saunders vs. Chris Eubank Jr., 12 rounds, for Saunders’ European middleweight title; Frankie Gavin vs. Bradley Skeete, 12 rounds, for Gavin’s British and vacant Commonwealth welterweight titles; Frank Buglioni vs. Andrew Robinson, 12 rounds, super middleweights; Liam Walsh vs. Gary Sykes, 12 rounds, for Walsh’s Commonwealth and Sykes’ British junior lightweight titles

At Hammond, Ind.: Mike Jimenez vs. Sena Agbeko, 8 rounds, super middleweights; Frank Scalise vs. TBA, 6 rounds, lightweights; Genaro Mendez vs. Demarcus Rogers, 6 rounds, welterweights; Fidel Navarrete vs. TBA, 4 rounds, junior lightweights; Will Coix vs. Antoine Ellerson, 4 rounds, welterweights; Sammy Horowitz vs. TBA, 4 rounds, light heavyweights; heavyweight Nick Asberry vs. Chaen Cheff, 4 rounds, heavyweights; Joey Hefferle vs. Freddy Bowen, 4 rounds, lightweights; Phillip Trianfantillo vs. Salomon Bacerra, 4 rounds, heavyweights; Raeese Aleem vs. David Warren Huffman, 4 rounds, junior lightweights; Ricardo Chavez vs. Mario Huffman, 4 rounds, heavyweights; Ramiro Carillo vs. TBA, 4 rounds, junior welterweights

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A well done analysis of the Mayweather-Maidana II bout.