oh i agree. And then you face somebody with more than 200 BP, and they can do combos, and suddenly you making a mistake = half health gone
Guys I’m afraid to tell you this but I’m gonna drop Bison for Guile.
I’M A TRAITOR NOW
Spoiler
I’m actually only fucking half joking. The thing is I’m not enjoying Bison and not because I’m losing. Hell barely touched online.
So basically you’re gonna get on your boat, go up river, and your going to kick that sonoffabitch Bison’s ass so hard that the next Bison wannabe is gonna feel it!
actually Im doing in guys with over 1000 Bp and up, not that Bp matter much any way.
lol got that ranked glitched that eats your bp, then i got horrible connections that my freaking piss easy juri combos would either drop or get mashed outta. Went from 1k to 700. I think im going to just sandbag/dc/reset to zero and not do ranked at all. The audio glitches which I get all day makes it very painful to hitconfirm with Bison. And is it just me or did the netcode suddenly get worse? Like, it’s awful on ranked for me but endless or endless with my friend is very nice. Connections on ranked I couldn’t cancel out of a reversal even with proper meter, ect.
So yeah Bison is no fun in this game. See you guys on SF5. 380 off a clean jump in ain’t shit I got that with Kazuya off a crouch medium.
Sad fucking day, but I’m not playing Bison in this. Those of you who stick with him may the psycho power smile on you.
I fought Gief today. He was able to turtle and punish all. Lariat stopped DR and HS, PC and SK aren’t safe. Pokes arent safe. Jumping wasn’t safe.
That was my last match with Bison.
I’m playing ssf4 again because netcode is unplayable. Maybe more people got the game because it’s now horrible. I went on ssf4 and I could actually do 2 frame links online, it’s sfxt if it was my connection I should of been destroyed at ssf4. Anyways on sfxt I beat good players, even some sponsored kid then get these connections when scrubs press buttons through my strings AND IT WORKS. Not doing ranked. For the rest of my life. Patch the damn audio too, can’t hitconfirm crap. Just reset to zero so I won’t get kicked out of endless lol. TBH game isn’t me.
I’m not writing Bison off yet, would be nice if I could properly evaluate him without every other game I got being unplayable. I’m going to try and do offline tomorrow with my scene. Still me and a lot of my friends said phuck sfxt and we’re back on ssf4.
for what i have seem tonight fk me up so bad that I lose faith in this game.
FIRST.
Kazuya, we found out that EWGF is good right? 70 on hit, -1 on block right? and upper body invincibility, 9f start up, but even plus wing god step is still good right?
watch this, there is REAL EWGF, that does 100 damage, and can combo from normal EWGF, and like 240 something for 3 hits, Kazuya can do some stupid damage with close to no risk to approach you, by either throw out an fast as fk over head forward kick (like ken, but is overhead) and have BEST back dash in whole game, while can using his SUPER charge as parry in 3rd strike (2f armor start up) and have mist step that let him get away from so much sht…
his HIGH/LOW mix up is GDLK I can said, if you have to use meter to do invincible move (Bison?) you are so fk, I don’t even play other player but by just watch it I was like “FK THIS GAME”
this is how Bison should be (free approach, fast poke, good chip resource) , but how come kazuya get that crap? he gets:
fast as fk moves with overhead, high low mix up with super fast speed, include his superart charge, wing fist free get in nonpunishable on block, and regular jump, best back dash, CRAZY DAMAGE scaling does not even WORK (he do like 5 hit combo or 9 hit is like either 30/40% or even 50%/60%sometime.)
and he gets INFINITE that, is not that hard at all.
even his chip on EWGF does BETTER damage than scissor, and scissor is -2 and still put you in bad position ( I get used to AE position, so SF x TK is like super, but there is no THROW like SUPER/AE, so what is the point to give Bison scissor that are hardly can loop and does close to NO CHIP?)
2ND.
RYU ARE BROKEN, Rolento I understand, but that cross up tasu are stupid, too.
KEN? is ok as long as you don’t put KEN and RYU together…
Orge? don’t even say…
I will go get some raw info from official guide tomorrow, hope helping all Bison user in SF x TK, because we all need that or hell is waiting for us…
I play Rog and Bison team. Rog isn’t doing that well either. They nerfed his jabs, took out the armor from some of his ex dash punches, and tweaked some of his other normals. Still trying to figure out how both characters are supposed to be played in this game.
I wouldn’t say Rog’s bad (too early to tell for sure), but I haven’t found anything of his that really stands out as good at this point.
I can tell you that if you’re looking for mobility and good pokes, Rog would be a step in the wrong direction. His damage output seems to be slightly better than Bison’s though.
just saying…as Bison
-no frame 3 short
no big deal, a lot of character not get 3f short, and BISON MOVES HIT ON BLOCK IS +, STUPID +.
he don’t have all + move set back in AE, cr.short was - on block. he can build meter FAST (like 3rd strike to jab and build meter), by just do any chain combo, or doing that, and get into pattern but change to something else, like jab jab devil or jab c.fierce. and re-approch.
Rolento is sick too, fast short, almost CAN’T GET OUT pressure, but mediocre damage (still, not bad), he just very solid, but not cheap. Kazuya and Ryu is cheap, Ryu have so much option on so many stupid sht ever, what is that FAKE CHARGE? you jump you eat DP, you don’t, you eat chip, you roll, you get combo, his air tasu are GDLK, you can’t tell it is cross up or not UNTIL it hit you in the face…
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no FADC to get in on her shitty fireball game
no need, jump in you neutral jump aa (NJ.MK,J.MP), too far? stomp, they can’t do fireball fadc either, and if mid range, one bar they stop throw it, but watch out fake charge fireball from Ryu. -
nerfed air priority
yeah neutral jump HK is not that good, but still have some decent option if they do 2 jump in the roll.
-nerfed priority in general
bad EX move I said, I don’t want no 16f start up ex psycho because that was so much pain.
-you can roll out of safe jumps, Bison had one that stuffed her ex pinwheel in super
I think throw is not a safe jump anymore on some character, but still looking, Bison can punish hard if they be careless.
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ex psycho trades more
I do ex scissor which, is better if you know is gonna hit, but whiff both move gets punish hard…anyway. -
nerfed grabs, since she cant tech with a fireball stored it was easy to get a knockdown and screw with her with safejumps and ambiguous 50/50s
nefr grab put bison in bad place since grab/counter hit are like CENTER PIECE of his play in AE, but now feel more like alpha? or even CvS2 I think someone said. more focus on damage out put, you can do 200+ damage by some stupid small mistake, 300 like st.fierce, hk scissor, cr.mp into anything. I take it if they give bison any overhead or any kara throw option, just saying.
-stand hk nerf, and air to air nerf she gets in for free
St hk is same I think, (6f start up), but damage is 90, but who do raw st.hk? keep space wider and do a st.mp into other stuff, I think that is new concept of Bison AA…start further, and I know it put you to corner fast but just think, if they gonna jump close at you, does that make them think twice if they jump from far? yes, but is that enough make them stop? no, we all bison player KNOWN that, no human, ever, play FTG, will eliminated the option of, jumping.
so if st.hk start trade? let is why I use Guile as my tag team…jump back and tag out
I think because no one release those finding, yet, personally Bison can be turtle very, effective and make people guess in different way in AE, but hold some
wild card under table…
wish I can hear what EMP-JeRon will said about Bison in this game, or even Happy Medicine.
Went to a small tourney at Local Battles last night … went 1-2. :bluu: That said, I don’t feel like Bison was was my limiting factor … was almost certainly all the combos I dropped.
In fact, playing some lame footsies – baiting whiffs and punishing with s.MK into launcher chain – seems pretty legit. I recall someone behind me saying something like “God, this guy plays lame like Diemineon.” Except for the part where, you know, Diemineon wins all the time. But it does seem like you have to play Bison very very lame. Fish for that s.MK confirm all day.
Once someone was in my face, though … hoooooly shit, wat do?? Meter is so precious in this game, I felt like a tool every time I EX PC’d. And good luck trying to AA, as always. I think NJ’s are the new AA’s, but god help you if they jump right as you whiff a standing normal.
Anyway, not giving up 100% on Bison, but still soul-searching for a point char. Hopefully next week goes better.
Yeah man I’m having trouble once someone’s up in my grill. Alpha counter’s a good one but it costs. Dunno what we can do meterless really, especially in ther corner.
Do other characters have 3 frame shorts?
Did some reading up and it turns out that yes, lots and lots of other characters have 3 frame jabs or shorts. Up close against chars with 3 frame shorts/jabs I’m afraid we’re gonna have to sit on block till they fuck up or go for a throw. Bah.
okay.
“He’s trash, st MK & HK on block are -3 on block and cr.lk is 4 frames. Scissor kick pressure is poop too. You can still win with good reads and amazing reactions, but the safe pressure he once had seems very unsafe now.”
“Bison A my buns.”
I’ve been trying to set up counter hits or tic throws with Bison’s stand light kick. It might be the new crouch light kick, it’s a frame 3 and pressures nicely.
Guile man…he is too good.
I think Guile doing even better pressure than Bison, then WTF I PUT BISON IN MY TEAM FOR? PANDORA TROLL?? LOL? (is pink)
Guile can go toe to toe with all cast, I think he is as good as Ryu/Ken but less tricky as them, and not as much juggle potential but his air grab, cr.hp sonic boom mix up are so simple, and yet effective.
Bison not only have low damage out put, he get out class very fast by just NOT having any reliable and hard punish safe option. (ALL TOP TIER CHARACTER HAVE THEM? YOU MAD?)
even his EX move suck, head stomp not doing like 30% damage, is more like a regular combo.
But he punish hard for sure, I was landing jab short cr.mk into heavy scissor, cr.mp super art…that is like? 500 damage? and anti air punish is not hard enough, you do less than 300, but few (obviously, THEY ALL top tier for now)character have some ridiculous punish form just 1 juggle (which most of time is anti air)
And back to AE, this is 2nd month I switch to stick, I was able to beat someone good 5/6 times I can never beat before, I think AE help me most, but look what they did to Bison in SF x TK, that is totally trash, if someone find the way HOW BISON SHOULD BE PLAY IN SF X TK, please share, because I am sick watching my Guile winning the turtle game but when my Bison tag in all my 2 cent are GONE IN 1 MISTAKE…
ok guys, I’m stubborn, and went back on ranked and had very nice connection, got an 11 win streak and fought many good players. Bison is a specialist. You must play on his strengths, because although he is a bit limited compared to most of the cast, what he does do HE DOES REALLY, REALLY well.
-battery
-escaping
-timing out
-WHIFF PUNISHING to launcher
You need to play around with walking up to stand close light kick, frame trap to a launcher or set up a tic throw. If they start mashing, bait them and let them have it.
You need to block a lot. Grabs are predictable because they need to be right in your face to do them so you shouldn’t have this problem. Teching is very lenient. Learn the range of stand hk, at certain angles it still is a great AA.
Follow up on everything, devils reverse, a jump mk/whatever can be followed up with mk to hk. Sadly i dont think you can do to launcher though.
Hell attack seems to have more priority. I think you need to be a tad more aggressive than ssf4 bison. But you still need to lame. That balance is more important than ever now.
I rarely use scissors.
He might not be as bad as we think.
edit: Bison has some anti juri technology too. I’ll try to post footage later
OMG…when someones in your face WHAT TO DO???
sorry but listen to yourselves…this is a fighting game…you’re SUPPOSED to be at a disadvantage when you’re in a situation where you have to block. All you need to worry about is teching and blocking properly, after that you don’t have to worry about throws because they have ass range, now all you have to do is worry about overheads and that’s simply a matter of playing more against those characters.
Also, once your opponent BLOCKS one of those 4 frame shorts (done as a meaty preferably) you now have a three frame short since you’re at +1 I believe. What other use would a three frame short have other than interrupting strings (scrubby) and pressuring? Pressure as we have all established is different in this game. not just for bison either. Just because Ryu can’t crouching forward into fireball multiple times in a row safely doesn’t mean he lacks a pressure game.
Bison got 100-200 dmg on average from BNBs in Super and now our Bnbs range from 250 to the high 300’s. A simple SRK punish will net you at least the high 200’s to 300. I don’t know what you guys are talking about when you complain about damage. Bison deals average damage in this game which is good because he can get a launcher so easily in this game from footsies. Tagging into Bison also yields average damage (for this game). You can get around 300 by tagging Bison in.
Look at a character like Rolento. He has a safe pressure game, high mobility and average damage. He is very similar to Dictator in many ways with a few more mixup options (leading into even less damage than dictator) yet people are saying he’s one of the best in the game. He doesn’t have crazy ground or wall bounces or very effective cross cancels, but he is strong in the same areas that Bison is strong. They’re not the same character and yeah Rolento might be a bit better in some aspects, but the strenghts are in the same areas and the weaknesses as well, there’s no reason Bison can’t play up those strengths and try and downplay those weaknesses in his game plan.
It’s probably going to take someone shining with the character in tournament or maybe a japanese dictator beating top US players to make people around here be more positive about using him.
^^^ Yup, sounds like Seth all over again.
“Seth is trash.”
Poongko vids go online
“Seth is broken!”
There should be a rule where you can’t bitch about a character until the game is out for at least 1 month or 2.