I wholeheartedly agree with you and once everyone figures out that all you need to to down back and to tech the occational throw I think he will move down that list.
I’m going nowhere though, I’ve mained Bison since 1992. Makes me sick motherfucker how far we done fell.
Caveat: Still early yet though, Neurosis, Kim, Kuma, Dogura et al will figure out something to make us great again right?
Right…?
So is it possible to do the combo bison did in the gameplay trailer?
I concur.
I was just about to post asking everyone’s thoughts on Bison as a viable character… I guess we’ve all come to the same conclusion. Footsies aren’t going to win games when all you can do is poke into chain into launcher and hope for the best. Throws are horrible in this game so he can threaten with that and he has no safe pressure like in SF4. His only saving grace WAS a link that I thought would work (theoretically he can link st.short into cl.fierce it being a one frame link) but after any normal you can’t do a close normal because of how far he pushes back…
Sorry about the rant, I’m sure all of you have done this once or twice at least within the last week and a half. I’ve definitely dropped him until someone comes up with some good tech to make me play him again (I highly doubt that’ll happen)… Now to find two characters in the uninteresting roster…
I played against Auto block Gem Dhalsim the other day…
With M.Bison…
Now I hate life…
I’m encountering more and more people using auto block and auto throw tech gems recently. I thought they were a bit scrubby when I first heard about them but an auto tech gem means no more online bullshit crouch tech blowups I suppose. I’m not sacrificing bison’s defense or Juri’s damage for them offline though. I can tech offline lol.
We knew all combos within HOURS of launch. There wasn’t even room to experiment. In a game where people can sling together magic series, launches, ground bounces, wall bounces, tag juggles, and so much more, and all bison can do is the same shit he’s done since SFII essentially, oh and he can juggle specific Scissor Kicks, depending on where they land and button strength.
Bye bye to scissor kick loops, in any format. All of his moves knockdown on one hit. This wouldn’t be a bad thing except everybody just rolls teh fuck away, so half your wakeup options are GONE. sHK is no longer a valid AA option. It now has the same fucking retarded hitbox as sMK for some reason.
Bison is essentially playng the game solo with your partner. Only your partner now has a slightly better ability to launch due to sMK (but so do characters like Vega and Rufus, and they sure as hell are actually useful).
They need to give Bison new moves for this game. Without it, he’s doomed to be bottom tier. This isn’t speculation, or hype, or tear fueled rage. This is fact. He has NONE of the tools that most of the other cast has. I could understand a lack of tools here and there, but this is WAY beyond that.
We have no ground bounces, wall bounces, special moves or normals that hit more than TWICE (with the exception of ex SK), overheads, juggles or moves that knock characters up. Our AA options LITERALLY are a busted ass terrible cHP, and neutral jump attacks. cLK is fast, sure. But SOOOOO much more of the cast has faster close attacks. Case in point, when Juri gets in on you, expect to burn meter to get away, because you can’t out poke her now, or AA her jumps, and you can only teleport like 2 feet backwards.
Yup. I’m quite sure Juri beats Bison now because they removed everything that made him beat her in SSF4:
-no frame 3 short
shit i was playing vs my state’s best Bison and he had to switch vs her. In ssf4, my Juri couldn’t touch him I pretty much got stunned everytime. Incidentally, he isn’t using Bison in this game I WONDER WHY GUYS
Bison was a limited character. They took even more away from him. Wtf were they thinking? I heard Poison plays like Rose who was an alt in ssf4, but like I said I’m still using Bison and they HAVE to fix him in future patches, there is no way they would leave him the same.
So I think the right question to be asking at this point is who can we replace Bison with? Vega seems to be the closest, with good pokes and high mobility. Hwoarang seems to have good up-close pressure and high/low mixups. Has anyone put time into Rog? He’s got wall/ground bounces on his EX specials, but I think he mostly suffers from the same stuff Bison does in this system.
I saw my first Ryu pull off a nice combo, finish with ex Mule Kick, wall bounce me, keep hitting me, then finish off with a super. Then I look at Bison, and I can’t do none of that lol. They gave me no new move that wall bounces, or setup a super. At least not reliably.
Wanna know how you fix him up?
Ex PC wall bounces, or hits multiple times (allowing you to tag in while it hits, similar to Tatsu’s by Ken), or juggles. Take your pick.
Give him back his old overhead (like the animation they’re using for his tag super), that ex versions can be tagged together, a la King’s Convict Kick, so we at least have a high/low mixup to get around crouch blockers and can spend some meter. Also, make it ground bounce too if possible.
fix SK. Either bring back loops, or make it hit more times. As it stands now, its a shadow of its former self, and lame quasi juggling doesnt make it any better.
cLK should be FAST. Hardly anybody should be able to beat out his cLK, considering Bison is handicapped with NO FUCKING DEFENSIVE OPTIONS
sHK needs to be fixed. Its a staple AA for him, why is the hitbox so fucking low, and broken?
command throw? I dunno. He needs something to deal with turtles in this game, that much is obvious
yes, this seems like a lot to ask for, and if somebody were to ask for this shit in AE or another game, I would laugh in their face. But this is SFxT, and most of the other characters in the game have these options. Bison has NONE. They essentially took his Super version, nerfed it with a bat, then added juggle at the last moment to two moves, and you can’t really even followup. THATS IT! Bison needs a complete overhaul, not a boost or a fix or a tweak. He fucking SUCKS this game. I think the only character who is worse, is Yoshimitsu
You can tag in after PC but it’s hard as a coffin nail and I think you can only hit lights afterwards.
But yeah, you’re damn right about everything else. I’ll give you a for instance:
Scenario: On jump in, I catch some fool not blocking near the corner and I’m meterless.
With Juri: j.Fierce, c.Fierce xx Release Fuhajin, c.Fierce xx HK.Senpusha, c.Fierce xx JC Dive Kick, cl.Fierce, LK.Senpusha. (510 damage and stylish as fuck) .
With Bison: j.Fierce, St.Cl Fierce, HK Scissors, Cr Mp, Hp PC (380 damage). No ground bounce, no wall bounce, no new mechanics at all save the juggle.
Are we asking too much?
I think charge characters are handicapped in this game. Its a fast rush game, and charge characters aren’t doing well. But yeah, I haven’t seen many Rogs, but like u said, at least they upgraded his moves with wall and ground bounce. We’re just a nerfed version of SSFIV bison. I swear, Capcom’s creative team must put 30 guys on Ryu, and one retarded blind guy with 3 fingers in charge of doing Bison.
Agreed. I especially hate the fact that there are not really any good properties like ground bounce or wall bounce in any of his moves, and absolutely no tag synergy. I was really hoping Skulldivers or EX stomp would have some good bonus properties because they are hard to land, especially in this game, but nope, actually EX stomp damage scaled horrible into this game, nowhere near as good as SSFIV.
Don’t bother with Rog. He’s just as bad imo.
Headbutt whiffs on crouchers…
And you’re now in the corner! :lol:
Yep. Such an awkward position to get the max damage for a combo. They could have at least made lp PC land on the same side or something.
Well, I guess it’s time to use Rolento.
nah im sticking with the dictator because few knows how to deal with him lol
yeah just went on and tried out potential replacements. No deal. Just don’t like how they feel to me. Guess I’m stuck here praying for a balance patch.
Yup yup. I’m loyal too but dayum Capcom, buff my Dic.
Good thing I’m a Tekken player so I don’t have any problems to replace Bison lol. (Really like all of them except ironically Heihachi) It’s just my loyalty is too strong.
Honestly if my Tekken main was in this game (Dragunov) I’d use him instead, but NOPE. None of my other Tekken mains are in either.
Waiting for Lars.
meh guess you cats can wait for a patch/new version of the game, Ima keep at with Bison, stomping dudes with straight fundamentals is pretty funny.