kim can deal with anyone because he is solid all around…great jumpin, great anti-airs, great roll, great super, and an infinite.
Did you want people to give you bad matchups without discussing them?
Naw guys, it’s okay. Give Kim all the credit you want. I play K-Kim a lot, so my matchups are different than C or A-Kim. JD helps a lot in making up for his bad matchups. His roll is good, but it’s not as big of an advantage as JDing is.
(Andry…shh!! Kim is top tier.)
or course i’d like people to discuss the matchups more. it just seemed more like the guy had problems with the matchup vs. certain characters and needed help beating them. they seemed more personal problems to me rather than bad matchup problems. this was supposed to be “_____ character owns _____ with _____”. but whatever, i dont wanna be the thread police or anything. if you guys wanna go off with things like that then go ahead i guess. whatever helps this thread best.
(Keep it quite in here Leezy they’ll find out)
from the way you guys are talking about kim, makes me actually want to try him out. no real bad matchups? that’s insanely hard for me to believe.
Take it from someone who gets wooped constantly by Kim, He’s worth picking up!
Kim has bad matchups (the aforementioned Vega, Chun-Li, Cammy, etc.), but he does well against most. The bad matchups aren’t in his favor, but he can definetely win. It all depends on the player using those characters. It’s the same concept as someone picking A-Sak against K and P. If the player sucks, the advantage of that little bitch is negligible. It’s just that they start out with an advantage.
Kim has really good matchups against Sagat, Rolento, Bison, shotos not controlled by Choi. He’s even with Blanka, Guile, Sak, Iori, Kyo. Good against bigger characters, not as useful against little ones. He takes a while to learn, and you definetely have to find your own style of playing him. Most people roll around and spam RC cresent kicks and charge moves. Some people poke all day and hit supers.
Honestly, people give him a lot of credit because no one uses him. I give Maki a lot of credit because only 2 people I know of use her well. I tried to be the third, but I’m leaving her on the back burner for now. If more people start using Kim, his matchups will get a lot worse. So yeah, try out Kim if you feel like it.
Andry-who else uses Kim besides me???
i do, i’m more of a poking/stomping freak… builds up meter, stops blanka balls, head buts, low fireballs etc…
infinite is the shit! 
(when ya can land it lol)
for bad matchups… well it depsnds on how the characters are played. the mind games used… but i say cammy, vega for sure, sagat can be a pain, and any short ass character that can duck under the standing fierce
hmm…leezy you’re right. kim probably has some really bad matchups(maybe a lot of bad matchups), it’s just no one has really played again a good kim, so they aren’t aware of what they can do(if they use whatever character that suppose to counter kim). making kim hard to play against since he’s a good character that you dont’ see often in match vids/tournies/combovids/etc/etc…
which brings me to my next point…
i’m sure maki has more bad matchups than what i said earlier, or maybe even A-bison/yama/sagat are her good matchups? never know cuz there’s not enough games played to figure out what beats what specifically.
random matchup:
King vs. Geese
i think king has the upperhand in this match. get far away and do venom strikes. geese has a lofty jump (and a slow roll? i dont know, i use k-geese), so unless he sees your venom strike in advance he wont be able to punish king with a jumpin. s.:hk: to anti-air. however if geese does get in, its game over for king, because we all know king is shit. still, venom strikes, and roll and throw can be a hassle to fight with geese.
Wait wait…King has the upper hand if Geese doesn’t get close…
Geese has a “lofty” jump…but he also has an air fireball…
So King throws venom strikes and Geese jumps over and beats…
Geese jumps thinking about venom strikes, sees King attempt anti-air, and throws a fireball in her face…
Dude, you use K-Geese too, JD everything…How is this a bad match at all for Geese???
if i get predictable with air fireballs, kings fast roll gets under me. and i dont JD it everytime cuz i suck like that. besides, she should recover in time for another s.:hk:. hrm but i guess if i were to just JD venom strikes on the otherside of the screen all day she wouldnt be able to do anything. its just im not entirely consisten JD’ing them because they can be single/double or fast/slow. i see it as bad because geese does hafta move in to do damage though, and king really doesnt need to move forward.
Take a couple hits to get in and punish her ass. Playing K, you shouldn’t be too worried about getting hit, especially by King’s low damage-dealing ass and with Geese’s high damage-taking ass. Think of King hitting you as a meter building strategy, just make sure you hit her back. Believe me, if you’re Geese and you’re trading hits with anyone, you’re going to be alright.
King does not have ANY favorable matchups really, and ESPECIALLY not against anyone in K. Every single thing she does gives the opponent tons of meter… which is why A-King is the best against K… at least after you’ve given them a full bar you can eat away some time by putting them in a low-damage custom…
Holy shit!!! He’s from Japan!!!
I miss you Gunter…Whaaaa!!!
Seriously, though. I miss the A-Groove King and Yamazaki…I don’t, however, miss that walk up custom shit…
I play kyo alot(S,K,N), and I don’t really have too many bad matchups, but sagat and chun are the worst. Especially chun, who I can’t even touch. Maybe if more people played kyo(in the US) I’d get a better grasp of what do do. He’s alot better than what people give him credit for, and he’s not too hard to play once you get used to his faults. I think he’s better than kim at least.
IMO-Kim is better than Kyo. No one in the world will back me up, though.
Kyo’s the shit, though. Fool does hella damage. Chun is iffy. Sagat is huge, gets hit by standing roundhouse and standing strong into beatdown combo. Kyo’s ducking fierce trades with Chun’s jumping short. Getting crossed up is a bitch, though. JD a lot against Chun and toss her ass. Break throws, she will be attempting to toss you a lot. Roll/Dodge out of cross-ups when possible. I think you need to play more matches against different styles of those characters you have trouble with, rather than watching other Kyo’s.
But yeah, Kyo is NOT better than Kim.
I think C-Ryu has the worst matchup against Blanka. What can C-Ryu do against a Blanka who RC balls all day?
If you have meter you can punish with a super, I think