i think you have to definitely keep the issues separate. nobody is making any excuses for anybody. people are NOT saying “daigo lost because he was xxxxxx”.
the main point is that “there are factors outside of the game that directly affects the performances”. that’s point #1. i think everyone can agree with this. if you can’t, well, then you must be a machine.
“daigo was not playing like he does normally”. that’s point #2
if you’ve watched someone play ANYTHING for years, you can easily tell when someone is on or off their game. if kobe bryant suddenly goes 0/30, yes, he’s off he’s game. it’s a simple fact, and stating a fact shouldn’t be brought forth with negativity.
#2 is a given fact. everyone who was there can tell you that. everyone who saw the stream can tell you that. hell, the results can tell you that. #1 is also a fact.
what I specifically was getting peeved at was there are people who simply refuses to admit #1, and people are quick to point fingers that stating #2 is making an excuse for other players. ‘daigo seemed jetlagged’ doesn’t warrant ‘get jap dick off your mouth’ type comments is all i’m getting at with what i posted above.
that’s just immature finger-pointing and hatred stemming from some kind of insecurities people might have in or outside the game. if you are confused as to what i’m referring to, i’m sure you can quickly skim the tournament results thread for lots of examples.
sorry to derail the thread so much, so here are links to his matches in case people missed it
Yes, it can be a factor. But nobody’s performance should be diminished due to some vague unknown element possibly affecting an opponent’s play. Competitiveness has little room for these “if only…” type of deals. That’s my only concern in this argument.
As to whether or not daigo was playing normally. shrugs I don’t know about “normal”, but you could make an argument for him not playing at the top of his game. Whether that’s because of some vague unknown elements, it’s some kind of athlete’s slump, or he’s actually beginning a real decline is something we’ll find out I guess.
Only a fool, or the extremely inexperienced, would be unable to see the talent that someone like daigo can bring to a competition. So is it really worth arguing with those kinds of people?
See its this sort of thing that pisses me off too. I posted in the SB5 thread saying that Daigo didn’t look well and whether that affected his game, and I get peeps saying I’m dick riding. Seriously! WTF? I cannot even imagine the amount of ignorance that must run through the mind of someone with that point of view. If I (Im Engish ignore the sports reference) said “Rooney was shit cause he had a broken metatarsal” is that dick riding? I dont even know.
What I also dont get is that people presume youre making excuses. If I say “he’s tired” is that an excuse? Its probably a fact that Daigo was tired, but that doesnt make it an excuse. I personally think that if you enter a tournament you should insure you are ready to compete, whether you need to get to the area a few days earlier or w/e. But just by saying hes tired im a dick rider making excuses… o_0
meh. I guess there is simply no use in trying to debate with people of such ignorance and stupidity. Still, it’s annoying. You can’t make a legitimate comment without getting flamed. Bring back the old days I say, where kids knew when to STFU cause of the cane! YESH, respect your elders ya little blighters!!!
that’s where the opinions differ. if i beat someone when they obviously played like shit, it wouldn’t give me any satisfaction. if the people who beat daigo feel proud of themselves, good for them. would i consider them better? obviously not. if this performance clearly has no bearing on who is a better player or who would have won 99/100, then i think it does deserve to be ‘diminished’ for their ‘accomplishment’.
as gamerbee thought he victory was hollow over momochi, i would say the same thing for the matches i saw at sb:r. there’s no honor there; at least not in my eyes.
This is a little different as Gamerbee’s stance has to do with something within the game itself. Momochi apparently could not prepare for the matchup. I can only assume that is because there are no players in japan of high caliber playing the character. Though that points to a flaw of the japanese training/playing style if it is true. We are forced to try to get better despite not having access to that kind of talent most of the time. Taiwan is incredibly lucky to have a pipe directly into Japan like that.
Andre should feel proud of himself. He played solid from what I heard. Should Marn not, because we think him random? It wasn’t just the final hado punish wake-up ultra that allowed him to take a win. He did well earlier in the set in order to enable this lucky event in the first place.
I don’t know. I just feel that Daigo has the capability to go above and beyond all these things that we can claim lessoned his game. That’s what makes him so good. That he didn’t this time is a shame. Saying that this one time or another he was affected by something unfair so he couldn’t lessons what he’s managed to do so far. So all those other times he had a perfect situation? Why can’t we just say that he was probably off his game, some very human lapse in concentration, and move on?
Getting a lucky win on daigo in a quick money match or casual doesn’t mean anything as it’s not in a real tournament setting. That’s what should make the difference I think.
I dont care ho much hatred I get from this post. I just saw the video of reaction to Andre beating Daigo. Daigo is such a good sportsman and Andre is not. Why? Cause Daigo took his loss like a man and didnt act upset, pissed off or anything. He waited for Andre to shake his hand and what did Andre do? He went and celebrated with his boys without so much as giving Daigo appreciation in the form of a hand shake or w/e.
Why do peeps love Daigo? Not just cause he’s awesome at SF, he is also an awesome sportsman, always calm, willing to take the losses, not egotistical despite having all the reason to do so. Daigo deserves as much respect for his character as he gets for his gameplay.
Let me hear it : “dick-rider” etc. w/e Daigo is a beast SF player and a beast sportsman. Real talk.
I agree with you Darth, It make me feel really unconfortable wathching some people reaction when Daigo get beat.
They obviously dont understand competition and will always be wannabee because of their attitude.
I can really sense a lack of respect that goes beyong being happy for a friend’s victory.
I woulnt be surprised if Daigo just stop coming to US tourney, He really get a lot of bad Vibes being thrown at him.
Daigo seem reserved and probably dont speak very good english and some people defeneately getting into his space
and overeaching some limit. I dont like to see a champion or anybody for that matters being treat like this.
Champion are obvious target and maybe Daigo need to set an example of some sort…
I was actually thinking along the same lines. If Daigo’s Ryu keeps getting beat Capcom will hopefully not nerf him. There are only a few things which I think need fixing in AE:
Adons wakeup speed, needs to be set to normal
Adons frame advantage on jag kicks needs to change as they are too safe on block
Roses Ultra 2 needs to have startup frames. Right now its pretty instant.
Dhalsims Yoga fire needs more recovery. Right now he can yoga fire from near point blank range and still have time to AA(knee to the head)!
It would actually be hella funny if they didn’t nerf him now. It would be obvious then that they base everything on Daigo.
Daigo wins : "hmmmm… we should nerf Ryu"
Daigo loses : "hmmm… we shouldn’t nerf Ryu"
Daigo wins with Dan : "Why the hell did we make super taunt so powerful?!"
What Daigo should really do is just get consistant Draw Games VS every other character. Then they might just decide Super is okay as it is
I dont know the dude but based on these old videos he seems like a cool enough dude.
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I wouldnt judge him on how he reacted it was probably a very huge deal to him that he won. Who knows how hard he has been working to improve his game. I doubt you know anything about him to judge what kind of sportsman he is.
Making excuses for Daigo is pretty lame. Just cheapens what actually happened at SB5. 2 US players beat the best Japan has to offer. A year and a half ago…that seemed impossible. Watch Daigo scrape Justin in the ft10 at sb4, and it looks like the US would never beat Daigo. I don’t care how Daigo was feeling…if people were invading his space…taunting him…People did the same stuff when he was winning. He’s not omnipotent or infallible…he’s just a dude that is great at street fighter. It means a lot that he finally got beat here.
Daigo’s losing streak can be attributed to the fact that Ryu was nerfed. Let’s be honest a large factor in Daigo’s wins was because Ryu was top tier now that he’s mid tier Daigo isn’t winning as much. We should all hope he does terrible at Socal Regionals so that Capcom stops nerfing Ryu.
BTW how is Daigo supposedly the best Japan has to offer when he hasn’t won a single tourney over there?
I heard top japanesse players say Daigo is the most domimant player in SSF4, because of the Sagat nerf from Vanilla.
10-1 vs the best in the world in Godgarden dosent sound like a losing streak to me. I agree he is underperforming in
random tourney.
In my opininon the top 3 players in the world right now are : Daigo, Mago, Sako ; and not necesserely in that order.
Its Valle vs Sabin at evo 2010. Valle gets hit by 3 AA Knees after yoga fire in succession.
Something doesnt seem quite right about the speed of Sims recovery on these yoga fires. Think about it, if you were in a Ryu mirror match and somebody jumped over your fireball from that range, would you have enough time to AA with a normal?
