"The answer lies in the heart of battle." Ryu Video Thread

Classic Fighting Games Ultra Street Fighter IV
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sigh

alright this thread is getting bad, this is not going to get better if everyone keeps on arguing.

alright first of all i would like to say this

i’m not picking on any sides by writing this!!!

thank you to all who has contributed to this thread also to both Mickey and Paul

i don’t know both of them personally but i can say this as my personal view :
some of mickey’s comment sounds arrogant to me (may not be the case to others) by saying other missed the point and silly or something like that, perhaps he is being honest and he is like that but we know that not all understand many things like mickey does as we are all different

about mickey having breathing problems on tourney, i understand him and his situation. i was a participant of an australian championship back 15 years ago out of 10,000 people i made it top 4 and yes i had problem breathing and i had a chest pain this does not help one play better, he made it top 170 out of 1000+ participants having that issue is good i have to admit

i know paul likes to express himself honestly, he doesn’t held back he just say it spot on, some of you may not like it.

to me both have contributed alot, who contributed better? i don’t know, but i can say this that sometimes you don’t see what one does even though he contributed tons

but please guys, this is a video thread dedicated to make us better, let by gone be by gone and lets get along and start over making this a better thread

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So none of the Japanese tournies offer any prize money?

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I don’t think so, I heard that it’s not allowed or something? Illegal I think because it’s like illegal gambling… maybe I’m retarded. This is quite possible as well. Or the money, if it is there, is significantly less? I could be wrong. But I do know the top players won’t withhold secrets, not for long. Like if Momochi had some sick ass fireball zoning tactic he just figured out he might withhold it for a month or two if SBO was coming up ya know? I could see that… just an example. But I’ve heard they all share their stuff. As we should as well! That’s why we have these forums! Yay!!!

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Yeah, i’ve been hearing that U.S. players are way more selfish than japanese players. Maybe that’s why they’re so much better than us.

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when it comes to helping out here. its usually Mickey D, Darth, Digital, and me, that try to help out and usually everyone SHITS on each other in this forum more than any other forum on SRK.com. i think all of us need to grow up and try to help each other out instead of doing this. 1 most of us new 2 we dont have top players posting here at all so we’re kinda fucked and be only tell from OUR personal match up experiences, which is we are all at different levels. we gotta stop fighting like 4 year olds, and act like our fucking ages. im getting quiet sick of seeing a fight post on every thread in the Ryu section. starting to get out of control.

also forgot to mention Ranix, and Dankk as well that help out too.

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Yeah I’ve heard that from a lot of people that have been/live in Japan. You can ask them whatever you want and they will usually tell you. I’m the same way though. When I play people in casuals and people don’t adapt after a few matches to something I’m doing I’ll just tell them exactly how to beat what I’ve been doing. It’s not only for them, but for myself also because if they know how to counter my stuff I am forced to come up with new techniques. That’s why the Japanese are so gdlk, they play games all day and level each other up. Personally my main goal is to get better, not to beat someone with shenanigans that they don’t know about.

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Syko gives solid advice as well.

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lol yea i forgot about him as well lol oh shit, and i forgot Kuma damn… i suck at remembering names lol.

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Yeah yeah Digi, that’s what I mean. Because if you are using that 1 or 2 tricks on people all day, what happens when you play in a bigger tournament and buddy shuts that shit down? Like you said, you gotta adapt. I’d rather people know my tricks then not know them (at least in my local scene, I dont care if joe blow at the tourney doesnt… haha) but if people know how to counter my tricks, I can practice countering the counter. Yay! Leveling your scene up is important for your own growth.

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Exactly. Even randoms at tournaments though I will help if they ask, but yeah I’m not just gonna tell them how to beat me before we play. Haha. But like I was playing this Balrog in casuals at a tourney one time before the tourney started and he was like hey would it be a good idea to focus those burn kick cross ups that Viper does and dash out? And then we talked for like 5 minutes about the ways he can counter the cross ups. I didn’t care at all even though if we would have played in the actual tournament that information probably would have cost me the match because he was a really good Rog.

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agreed on all of those, man before i asked this guy something but he wouldn’t tell me, he just shrugged his shoulder and i was like “huh”

and if you want to level you have to play better opponents, if you don’t have better opponents, then make them better by giving them good advices so that you too can get better

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Just to say.

personnaly I live in japan. I try to share with the communauty but I think generally we don t play the same kind of opponment.
without respect for you but yesterday I was playing ac revenge abel. 3 days ago it was mago and tokido and this without speaking of my local casual ( zangitan and other grand master)

I started a new card, i m like 16 000 bp after 300 fight and 55 %.
people might think it s quiet low, but facing mago tokido and other grand matser, doing bp is not easy. average player is like .30 000 bp in my local arcade.kim123 is playing there also and know me quiet well.
there is also 1 ryu named yuuru that is 55 000bp and that could be grand master I think.

anyway after saying that my point is
when I share stuff here I feel loke we are not facing the same situation.
exemple, how many off your guy punish gouki sweep with shinku hadoken?
how many of you have seen the gouki player doing the sweep when you have super to make you do it and then cancel the sweep with gouki ultra to punish your super?

Basically I was playing tokido, he sweep me , i made shinku to punish and then he made ultra. But knowing that he will do this I used the lp shinku (it doesn t punish sweep) this way he will eat hit if he does his ultra.
I win the fight.

If i come and give some advice I feel like there kind of useless because we don t face the same situation.
like never never FA gouki sweep once he have ultra or if chun le do her reverse kick to go over hadoken , FA dash forward and cr.lp cr.lp+hk shoryu to make a option select in case it wase a lk reverse kick and she back dash.

there is many things that you can understand by watching video, but it s by playing really strong player that you can really evolve.

in a shoto fight at mid distance alway buffer 1 qcf after an hadou at mid sdistance like this if they answer with hado, you just have 1 qcf more do to and you have an ultra

if you sweep sagat from the end of your feet if he guard buffer an ultra too, like this if he wants to pressure with tiger shot you just have to press 3 boutons

if you are in the corner and dictator is doing fa as you wake up, don t jump to avoid it .they will dash and jump with mp mp and then ultra.

if rufus do is qcf punch from mid distance to bet a fireball just jump straigh and mp sweep him( cr mk tatsu might wiff on rufus so don t use it)

as soon as you see someone spaming tech throw use ex tatsu
as soon as you see someone spaming st throw during your poke then cr mp on his guard walk a little bit back and punish the wiffed throw with cr hp shoryu or cr.mk tatsu .

etc.etc.etc

what i can teel you is that all strong player make you feel the same things when you play against them
they make you play there game, they control distance and situation and they don t make easy mistake.

if you want to win you have to make them change there game change the distance, change there feeling because without pressure or in situation and distance that they master it s too difficult.

I don t know why i writed all this but at the end what I can say is that sharing is ok but is it usefull to do a lp shinku against a gouki online? that it exactly the same point as why mickey get upset about boxer wake up escape. if you face only boxer that wake up with headbut you will feel free to jump in. but the first time you jump hp option shoryu and you see him doing an ex punch cancel super or ultra and you realise that it s an option select for balrog you will start thinking about free jump in hp. next time you will do empty jump throw/ex tatsu to bet a ex punch and he will have just Back dash/guard tech throw seeing you coming from far…

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Kuma, friend me on PSN and don’t delete me, jerk. I know I sucked when you played me ( I was the guy you landed your first FADC>ULTRA on) but I’ve improved. Gimme,gimme one more chance…lalala.

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good advice

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ranix: i know what you mean, but japanese aren’t the only ones with extensive matchup experiences. they do definitely help us even though we might not necessarily have that situation come up often. thanks for your inputs!

i am not sure how many of you guys have read sirlin’s articles, but he has a great article on yomi.

basically, most mid-level players will stay at yomi lvl1. which means they will always do something that is best for that character and do them without thinking.

if you watch top players, they will purposely play to beat such players and that’s why mid level players will almost never beat a top player. they know exactly what you are trying to do, and they’ll punish you for it every time.

only if you understand what your opponent will do, and if you understand that your opponent also knows exactly what you will do, that’s where the mind-games start happening and situations like akuma c.rh -> ultra vs ryu’s lp or hp super come up.

you always have to keep in mind that you don’t always want to do what seems to be the best situation. you really have to assume what your opponent is also looking for, what they are baiting, what they want YOU to do, and not do that.

do the opposite, and this only comes by analyzing your game. when you watch videos, see what is being option selected. how people adjust. how people bait. that’s top level play.

if you don’t have enough knowledge, then that’s when you hit the forums and get matchup experience. if balrog whiffs s.rh or c.rh, you can c.rh on reaction. if you didn’t know, you might never bait it.

if you think balrog’s going to do a dash punch, you focus or c.forward. however, balrog can wait until you do it and hit you on reaction every time. if you didn’t know, you have to learn it.

there are so many layers to learn in a fighting game, but YOU have to know where you need to work on and how to improve. having a mentor/teacher is the best and i think that’s why a lot of people appreciate what mickey is doing with the lessons and the videos.

i’m down to play a few games and offer feedback too so let me know if yall are down for a quick fto10 :slight_smile:

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yes, basically once you know you start playing.
and once you start playing you start understanding that what you know is not enough.
mago was doing cr.lk cr.mp when you wake up and just because of the timing the cr.mp will touch. this is the kind of stuff top player use. you feel like it s easy but believe me this is the hardest part. having the good timing to counter and not eat shoryyu throw etc etc this is where game start to be difficult.

just for info boxer sweep just like gouki one, if you protect you can super it. and if you fa you can dash forward cr.hp hp shoryu.

this kind of stuff might make you win 1 round but basic will make you generally win.
sharing is good but it s really about being able to understand the fighter in front.

in the sweep topic, just to share if you face a rufus. if he cr.hp you you can fadc(just FA and then dash no lvl 2 just like a parry) ultra him(or sweep if you dont have ultra)

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You’re right, Ranix. You are facing stuff much different than we are, but your posts are still useful. If you post about a 2 or 3 step mindgame, like the Akuma example, step 3 might not be useful for people here, but steps 1 and 2 still are. Akumas here aren’t gonna start hitting demons through super if we aren’t punishing with super. They’ve got to get hit with that before they start thinking about or looking for a counter. Step three will be useful as soon as he’s told or finds that he can demon me. I already know that I can lp super when they start doing that, though.

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I don’t think that’s low at all. I’ve watched a lot of random Viper matches from Japan and I’ve seen like 22k BP Vipers that were straight up GDLK man, even Marn said that the BP doesn’t matter out there because if you play the best like Mago, Daigo etc at places like Big Box you will have a much lower BP than if you played at arcades that don’t have the top players.

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in my other card i was 32000 bp with 1000 fight but then i decide to stop going to the same place and play only against strong people so i started a new card.

BO doesn t mean anything except when you see someone with more than 50 000/60 000 bp.
at this range you can consider that all the player that you see will be top 10 in US.

I played valle when he came in japan for tougeki and I can tell that his ryu is not at the same level of matser ryu ( not grand master just master) so that give you an idea of the master ryu you see on video

don t trust video to evaluate someone . Sabin is doing quiet well in japan, but dalshim is kind of strange character for me…

exemple of what i see here

ac revenge against my local arcade master gouki( 75000 bp master gooki also 90 000 bp with sagat)

gouki st.hk ( the double kick) abel ex rekka cancel ultra( you know the glitch when you cancel an ex in an ultra during first frame) gooki cancel kick ultra demon

bye bye abel…

and i dont speak about the hk lp loop that look like piece of cake…

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Ranix u got any videos