Rog’s crouching Jab beats a throw. Where do you come up with this shit? Most normals on a Rog don’t work on his wakeup against Jab since it’s one of the fastest in the game. It’s not as nerfed as you are trying to make it out to be.
“Wakeup jab loses to any rushdown option.” This is funny.
You fail to understand the basics of wakeup game. A properly timed throw or normal will beat a wakeup jab 100% of the time. Balrog’s jab has three frames of startup - that’s a window where anything can hit him, and he isn’t hitting anyone. You put a move that can hit him down against that window (incl a throw) and it will win.
Maybe it’s an online thing, because I get beat to the punch anytime I think he’ll turtle and I go in for the throw on wakeup only to be met with a jab combo. I understand the wakeup game fine. To say his jab loses to any rushdown option is ludicrous. To many, sure. To any, no.
lol… you make me laugh SOOOO much. Firstly, youre so egotistical its beyond belief. ME ME ME ME ME… yes Mickey… YOU… havent won anything, like most of us here, yet you act like youre a pro… Oh, and dude YOU were the one who started offending people by saying everyone is too dumb for you to read the threads… fine… GTFO then… ive never taken 1 useful piece of advice from you, like I care. And what do you do for the community compared to me? I dont really want to talk about my job or anything, but if you go and ask top players (actual top players, not like you) about me, lots of them will tell you that they know me and that I do my fair share in helping the beat-em-up community… if you think your videos and what-not even compare then youre dumb… but NO… you want to presume that I havent done anything, whilst you say 'what do you know about ME!!! MEEEEEE!!! Mickey, fool, what do you know about ME? nothing, yet you call me dumb.
And NO… Rog does not have 1 option on wake-up that will beat an option select SRK, so youre wrong… the start-up on his specials simply isnt quick enough to beat it. Huh… I would have thought youd know that.
and you couldnt breath at EVO? :crybaby: and you say you have balls? lol. I dont need to play 4 to know I have balls, and if we ever met Id gladly setlle this in other ways besides playing a game.
Mickey… let me explain this to you. you ARE NOT a top player… ok… neither am I (thats not the point)… you have won NOTHING… top players go and win majors… you havent, so stop trying to say youre that good.
Finally, say its all ‘horse shit’… sure… end of the day, YOU were the one who started by ofending me, not the other way around. Maybe if you dont want shit you should stop being unduly arrogant.
Oh… and if you recall… i was the dude who helped you out when you were first setting up your tutorials… and in return, you call me dumb… thanks… thats why im so pissed off dude, cause I helped you out a long time ago and now you act like I’m beneath you (actually, you act like everyone is beneath you)… I hope you do actually leave the Ryu section… some of your info is good, but this new found egotism is so boring its killing me.
done with this… bye bye you lil pussy.
Your timing is off. Go to training mode, record on a dummy Rog and mash jab as fast as your can for 10 seconds. Try to keep it consistent.
Now, knock him down as he’s jabbing and try different moves with different timing to see what works and what doesn’t.
A true meaty attack lands your first hitting frame on the first available hitting frame as the opp gets up. There is no way a jab, or any normal, can beat a meaty attack since the fastest start up time for a normal is 3 frames. They got hit 2 frames ago.
Oh yea, the 3rd frame of Rog’s jab actually hits, so it’s more like a 2 frame window to land the meaty attack. So, you can think of the timing to be as strict as the cr.LP, cr.HP link.
If rog wake up with tap, doesn t the otio shoryu will wiff?
I tied this and I remember that TAP was making the jump hp and the shoryu wiff.
also are you sure about the ex straight punsh being punishible by shoryu?
if rog do ex punch, asyoutouch him during jump, there is no mor otion select, so you have to perform another shoryu to cunter as soon as you touch the ground.
however i was never abl to do hit. i ould just protect bu never do a horyu. are yo sur you can?( i m speakng about og straight punch, the faster one, not a slow ex punch lke ovverhead.)
just to make sure you are speaking abut a know down like sweep or throow, then jump Hp option shoryu.
Finally be carefull with option select as safe jump against rog. during first fame of ex punch he can cancel with another ex punch to absorb 2 hit unstead of one.
it s no easy to do but as you do a safe jump it s make the timing easier fo rog in this situation
Dunno about TAP, I would think no though because oh how “wide” the SRK hits, I think it would nix the invincibility… EX Uppercut though, maybe. I’ll have to ask one of like 4 Rog players in my area. Man I hate that guy, more than Sagat… Balrog is joke. You could press cLP, come back to your game like 10mins later and press cLK and it’ll still combo.
Tap defenetly make shoryu wiff.
I already try,you can make it in practice mode, just record ryu doing throw safe jump otion shoryu and you can try all boxeur options.
I just want to correct this - this is not exactly true since most normals have at least 3 active frames.
Let’s balrog wakes up and starts his c.lp on frame 10, and frame 12 is the first frame the jab can hit. I want to do a meaty c.mp (4 active frames, 4 frame startup).
I can start my c.mp on frame 3 - then it will starup for frames 3, 4, and 5, and frames 6-10 will be the active frames.
I can also start my c.mp as late as frame 8 - it will startup for frames 8, 9, and 10, and will be active on frame 11.
Since it has a 4-frame active window, this gives you a 6 frame window in which you can land a successful meaty c.mp - which is plenty.
However, you want to be as early as possible, especially against balrog.
If you start it on frame 3, then you start recovering on frame 11. Let’s say balrog did HP Headbutt - which has 12 (!!!) frames of startup. Your c.mp has 8 frames of recovery, so you’re able to block by frame 19. His headbutt doesn’t hit until frame 22. That’s a punish.
Hey Siyko, I never looked at it like that…
Frames can be hard, but check out this well-written guide on them, I know it’s for a different game but the exact same mechanics are at play:
http://virtuafighter.com/view.php?section=vf4&file=vf4ft_frames_guide.html
Damn son! You’re like rainman and shit with frame data. Haha.
Btw, only EX Headbutt has invincibility. All the other versions are only invincible against throws and projectiles. Meaty attacks will stuff them.
well I do have a PhD in Arithmetic
I understand frame data, I know how to read it and how it works. All I was saying is I didn’t think of timing the meaty to hit during any active frames past the first.
@SiYkO
I hate math. Does this make you my enemy? If you have a love for history, I’ll consider friendship.
yup im done posting on srk. this drama shit pulled me away from the Ryu thread. good job you guys.
what a baby, cant handle forum drama
It s a big lose for ryu forum and ryu communauty.
anyway i tested on rog optin.
i m not sur abou what i find, but
TAp will defenetly make your kump hp shoru wiff.
worst if you doultraor suer as option select he will conter you.
if rog do exstraigh punch, yu can only uard, all te othr ex i was able to make a option shoryu or super but sthis ex seem to fast andlet you only guard.
logially if you can guard you can shoryu, so it might be possible, but i rried quiet a lot and was never able. so I think in a real fight it s gona be hard as hell even if it s possible.
also something strange, if i do ex punch cancel ultra( the absorbing one hit then do ultra) it s seem hard to protect, same with super.
you must time very well you safe jump t be ale to guard this . and I repeat doing ex cancel as wake up is easy.
Tap, FA back dash, ex punch, rog is not o bad as wake up(you can also guard…)
sur people that are just using rog to mke some head but into ultra s wake up wil be sad, buthat doesn t mean it free o jump on him.
oh i can, just not the ryu thread, because everyone thinks they are pro at sf4.