Yeah, ff+2 is/was a punisher. But what use is a high-hitting 30 dmg punisher with no guaranteed follow up or even possible mixups afterwards? Why punish with a ff+2(30 dmg, no bb+4 combo) when you can just juggle for way more damage?
Bruce’s f+1+2, ff+3 isn’t unbalanced so I don’t see how Bryan’s ff+2, bb+4 is. If Bruce’s ff+3 didn’t connect then f+1+2 would be useless. I’m not sweating it but I’m just saying, they are toning down the wrong things about some ppl.
i guess youre forgetting the insane range ff+2 has
and noone said you wouldnt get mixups or anything off of it, so you never know
Unless it has new characters I don’t see people playing it either that or if you can somehow replace all the current t5’s with the new one
there is like literally no reason to keep playing the t5 we have now
Rumor has it, two new characters will be released…lol
no shit
wtf is namco thinking
i dont play tekken, but why are namco releasing this so soon?
The only thing i can see happeneing is that it will divide u tekken fans on what to play 5 or 5.1
I guess they must have been under pressure to get tekken out and always planned to do these changes anyway.
I cant see any other excuess to releasing an upgrade so soon.
Bryan’s ff+3 has more range, hits mid and does 3 more damage. But, eh you’re right there could still be follow ups. But Bruce is who I’m really rooting for. 1,2 NC is the first thing they should have reported. Fast mid CD attack, where are you?
well okay look
t5 sucks, and is stale, and even the top chars cant stand up to steve
t5.1 raped the top tier chars, and based on no real big changes to the lower tier chars, it couldnt possibly be worse
comprende?
edit: rioting soul, bryans ff+2 is roughly 15 frames all together while ff+3 is like 22 or higher. there is definitely a reason to use ff+2.
Looks like a pretty solid update so far. I can’t find a reason to keep playing T5 classic once the update gets released.
How far does Bruce’s f+1+2 reach? Because half the time I can’t even punish whiffed Deathfists with it… If only he had the speed of his new f+1+2 combined with the range of his old animation(ie the Bryan f+1+2)…
JMJ: Ah, ok.
A console release is needed.
The 2 new characters will be Tetsu-jin and Combot. http://www.fakesource.com
EDIT: Saotome: I’m not sure, it’s not a big part of my Bruce game. I think it has alittle more range than Bryan’s f+1+2.
I’ll test it in a few hours.
Oh, and nice little joke. =p I really want Tetsujin, though.
EDIT: Tested. With Bryan, at the start of the round you can backdash once and still hit your opponent from that distance. Bruce’s leaves him right in their face if done from the same distance away. The elbow itself doesn’t stick out much either. Bryans has mor range due to the longer spin and the fact that the elbow is actually thrusted out for the hit. So yeah, Bruce’s f+1+2 is pretty bad. =/
Well, Steve had a nice reign at the top for quite a while. It sucks that he no longer has that DF+2 launcher. Kind of need that too. :*(
Oh well. It could compensate for it if Steve gets new moves which he will. I really need to start practicing again.
Now, would be a little too early to say that we’ll have to start over from scratch in order to adjust to this version of T5? I mean, if things are going to be different then theres definitely gonna be some tweaking done in terms of how people play now seeing as how certain moves will be utterly useless like Fengs SS+4(which I need as well DAMNIT!!!).
Namco better not try to pull off a Crapcom.
(repeatedly release slightly improved games and make us buy them)
Marduk got fucked. 
It seems that the strong got weak and the weak got REAL weak. Asuka, Marduk and Kuma got ass raped with no K-Y. As much as I hate Steve thats a real fuck job on him. Nina is still gonna be a beast cause her frame rate won’t change. Hei, Julia will remains beast and DJ is even more of a beast. Bryan was alway overrated in tier but with the changes to everybody else he won’t be hurt that much.
All in all I think the changes are cool. Yeah we going to hear the bitching and complaining (hey we’re fighting game fans, thats what we do) but remember people we haven’t played the game yet. History always show when you fix it, you brake something in gaming. Best beleive that some charater is going to be uber strong cause of this patch just wait and see. Than we’ll have new stuff to bitch about.
Combot… so is Mokujin out or we have 2 “random” Chars now… :lame: or even worst u press start on mokujin and get combot… pretty lames for 2 “NEW” characters
Dude, he was joking…check the source link he gave again.