I’m very happy with the changes so far except for wang and craig. But now I need to see changes with paul. Maybe better recovery on his moves or something. No doubt I will be playing this new version over T5. And a possible slated release in Japan in July! Thats fucking awesome.
Man steve = raped by many of these changes. No infintes is good and I agree with that but I feel like they just need to make him do less damage imho.
Actually they raped her df+1,2 so her frame advantage abuse is out the window. No more safe divine cannon but it was mostly used as backdash catcher anyway.
i dont even understand what half this post is talking about
asuka got raped? why? because f+3 is neutral on block? yeah im sure thats going to ruin your game heavily. kuma got raped? with two pluses? 2 of his moves got way better, and he got raped?
WHAT THE FUCK.
and then we get to julia being a beast?
i just dont know what game youre thinking about.
I don’t plan on playing 5.1 unless I can get it for the home console. And even if then, I am not sure I’m going to pay for it again. I mean, why own the home version if you can’t do the same combos at the arcade?
Wow, what is this ignorance?
Those Asuka changes are minimal. If she lost the +6 on f+[3] for the 2nd spin, that’s a bummer, but a regular f+3 was like -3 on block. If it’s neutral now, that’s an improvement. Kuma has only gotten better. wtf are you smoking?
Craig’s changes bum me out, but he wasn’t a weak character to begin with. Even with these changes he’s not close to being low tier, but I certainly hope they changed something for the better or gave him a good new mid or two.
Steve deserves what he got, so what if it was too much? Nina’s changes are pretty severe too, now that DC and Spider Knee are no longer safe, plus no more df+1,2 spam.
Bryan was never overrated, he was always a beast. f,b+2 is still arguably the best launcher in the game, and b+1 is no longer a spam move. He’ll still be pretty solid but nerfing b+1 and his wall combo is definitely a big deal. Taunt still gives him an outstanding wall game though.
Julia a beast? wtf, she’s pretty mediocre right now. She’s hella unsafe off a lot of moves, insanely linear, and way too reliant on counter hits for damage. She’s definitely in need of an upgrade.
'cause most of us no longer have any real arcade competition and major tournies are on console anyway.
what does that mean?
for what reason? I dont go there anyways.
ok so far this is what i get with the characters i play:
Steve-prolly will be low-middle tier cuz he lost practically all his combos. only launchers are now d/f+2,2 which only launches on crouch and f+3_4,2 which you can see coming from a mile away. still has good pokes though.
Feng-Not as bad as Steve. no trip for CH d/b+3, and longer recovery for SS+4 hurt his low poke game but he still has his launchers into good dmg.
Lei, Yoshimitsu-I dont know why they want to nerf anything these guys have. I mean WTF.
Roger Jr-tech blocks=no more tech traps, unless they increase the range for d/b+3 Roger will be more useless.
Raven-no raven changes yet
Jack-he moved up because they nerfed his arch nemesis steve/nina
bryan losing b+1 as launcher is like sagat losing cr. fierce to super :sad:
uf 4 will probably be used alot more
Thanks Ryu1999 I didn’t see that. Now I got see how she plays.
JMJ - Yes the same game Tekken 5. The big three(Nina/Steve/Bryan) have lost some key moves and weaker charatcers like Asuka didn’t get anything that would make them useful. I’d admit I put Kuma up there without reading the whole thing(my fault) but come on, I hear people fearing Kuma. Hell Law got raped for no reason either and you can’t say he didn’t. Julia is beast, no not like Nina or Steve but still a handful. Have you played a good Julia player?
First, how come everyone thinks blocking out of techroll=no tech traps?. Most tech traps work because they hit the opponent from the side, not just because they hit at the end of a techroll. Marduk’s, Raven’s, and other characters tech traps work like this. Tech traps that won’t work are things like Bryan’s wall 1,2,1, d/f+3, and Wang’s d/f+1+3+4.
About Steve’s d/f+2,2. If it still launches, and the 1st hit never launches, wouldn’t this be better for Steve? He woudn’t have to guess whether you will attack or duck. Unless the 2nd 2 ONLY launches if the 1st hits a croucher. I dunno I’m not that familiar with Steve. And while ALB 2 has no CH stun, it’s main uses (FAST whiff punisher/ALB mixups) didn’t rely on a CH. And if you get smacked with ALB+2/ALB~u+1 near a wall you’re still gonna be fucked in the ass.
What the hell are you trying to say? :xeye:
How did Law get raped? qcf+1,2,1,2 wasn’t that good to begin with. Nerfing CH db+3 is a notciable loss, but rape? Give me a break, that’s nowhere close to being a major downgrade. He lost ONE counter hit juggle starter, ONE. Based on what’s been released, everything else is still intact. And with the downgrades Steve, Nina, and Bryan suffered, Law’s probably a good candidate for top tier in 5.1.
actually releasing it sooner rather than later when everyone is used ot the game is a better idea but so far no “upgraded fighters” have been successful.
They didnt change Paul at all but changed Kuma? That doesnt make any sense.
gah, they weakened Nina’s game, LAME to the MAX.
Still waiting on what “+ d+4,1 has more delay on block.” means and why it’s a plus…
EDIT: My bust, it’s a minus on TZ, which means that he has damn near nothing safe now.
What is saying though so no matter which way you tech roll you can be in full block the whole time, ie no tech traps.
But that would mean that the changes enable you to block moves from the side OR changes techrolls so that you ALWAYS get up front turned, which I just can’t picture happening. Some tech traps (such as Raven’s qcf+3+4 to one side) actually have you get up backturned.