Ten Years Gone? (List of games when Street Fighter was absent)

Both of those were released before the year 2000, just so you know.

Actually, You are wrong again. I never mentioned Vampire Chronicles cause it is the worst version of Vampire you can get the only good feature in it is input recording during training and that is nothing.

its not just a capcom drought either, how many years ago was the last great samurai shodown game? how many years ago was the last great Fatal Fury?

edit: i know the answers to the questions, my point is that there was a long period where *few (ie not none) really top notch fighting games were getting released.

Last blade 2 was 1998, VS was 1997, chronicles was 2000.

You think I don’t do research before I say these things?

Vampire Savior wasn’t mentioned in that post. Why you bringing it up?

Because Vampire Chronicle is just a compilation of the previous Vampire games with some clever version swapping stuff added? I was being complete, and referencing the last actual new game in the series.

I owned Chronicle for matching service on the Dreamcast, I know when it came out and what its gameplay included. (edit: If the guy up above is saying the PSP

Since we’re quizzing each other care to admit I was right and those games weren’t released during the drought?

I mentioned both Hyper Street Fighters in the OP. So no you’re still wrong. Also, there is so many differences between the chronicles and the actual games they’re from it isn’t funny.

We’re in two thousand and fucking eleven. It just takes more time and effort to release a game now. If just as many fighters are coming out as during the PS2 era, that’s a LOT more money being spent on making them.

Hyper fighters have nothing to do with it. Neither does your aside about VS. Chronicles and Last Blade 2 were both released before the drought started. But to address your point, capcom releasing remixes doesn’t have much to do with the drought existing or not. 2 games in the mid 2000s compared to the god-knows-how-many in the '90s doesn’t exactly disprove the concept.

(edit: by my count Capcom did 32 fighting games up to CvS2, which was the beginning of the drought. That doesn’t count remixes like NW2 VS2 and Alpha 2 Gold)

I kind of think you’re confusing VS2 with Chronicles though, they’re different beasts.

And seriously, is your point so weak that you have to quibble that much? First you didn’t mention chronicles, then the OTHER guy didn’t mention VS.

Try to address the points rather than trying to trap somebody that’s actually willing to fact check up in minutiae.

Vampire Chronicles is the equivalent of Hyper Street Fighter 2 for the Vampire Series. Again, you are wrong.
Vampire Chronicles was released in 2000 for the Dreamcast. You are wrong, again

I told you what chronicles in the first point. I can tell you a lot of changes to the mechanics between the 3 since I actually played the games that proves you don’t know anything about Vampire/Darkstalkers.

Why are you still bringing up points that do not belong in an argument?

I am addressing points and throwing out the fluff.

what… the fuck.

Let me make it clear to you, even if I’m wrong about chronicles (not that I’m conceding the point), it was still released before the drought started. I wouldn’t count Hyper SF2 either to be honest, just like I wouldn’t count Alpha 2 Gold or MK Trilogy.

And I said myself up above when Chronicles was released (in the one you started harping on VS), altho I see now that I contradicted myself in the first post of the thread, I listed the accurate release dates in the second post.

There were nearly 40 Capcom fighting games before the drought,

Is now the time to mention your utterly specious and self-serving framing of the drought as including CvS2 and Marvel2?

You are trying to change the subject. So I will not respond with an actual answer.

Edit: Also you’re still wrong about Chronicles.

Now we’re getting meta, but that’s such a massive dodge I can’t even begin to describe it… except as a goddamn massive dodge.

Your basic premise is utterly wrong, and you intentionally framed your list in such a way as to make it look better.

Still, I’ll play along, the only question you asked was ‘why are you bringing up unrelated points?’ The answer is pretty simple really, :Hero of South Town" brought it up, and I responded to his mistake, listing games that were released before the drought as being released in it.

So that out of the way, will you now tell me about why you’d possibly think MvC2 and CvS2 were released during the drought?

Edit: Since I’m asking questions I’d also like to know how the VS option in chronicles was different than the arcade version. I didn’t notice much back in the day, but then I was playing the actual games on their actual release, so it was a different world.

double edit: lol@us doing cross edits, nice to have some accidental synchronicity :smiley:

http://www.arcade-museum.com/game_detail.php?game_id=7272
http://www.arcade-museum.com/game_detail.php?game_id=8637

I know when they were released, the problem is you arguing that the drought started in 2000, when the games were still going pretty strong then.

The drought got real in 2002, give or take. I tend to treat the release of CvS2 as the last gasp of the good times.

I assume because his definition of the drought was the period between proper Street Fighter games. It seems reasonable enough, but it’s kind of arbitrary, which is why we get this.

oh and jed, I apologize. I was kind of annoyed earlier, words like ‘specious’ and ‘self-serving’ serve absolutely no good purpose.

Edit@Reruns: If that’s the case I’d argue its not a very good definition, the versus games (both varieties) got way more play than the late SF games, at least around Seattle. I’d define the drought as starting after the release of CvS2 and KOF2002.

Just sayin’

To be fair, I did correct myself. In the first post, I should have said ‘before the drought’

Summary of this thread: Basically everyone agrees that the correct statement to make about this time period is

“There was a substantial decline in the popularity of fighting games between 2002-2008 for a variety of factors (mostly the gap between arcades and online) which is often mistaken as a lack of new fighting game releases. SF4 did not end a drought of new fighters so much as it just revived popular interest in the genre.”

Meanwhile tataki gets called out and won’t acknowledge it, and xesaie and the OP argue about semantics.

Everybody else can go home now with our new-found or re-affirmed knowledge of the history of the fighting genre.