LOL… In the Hakan forums they are still waiting for a savior to master Hakan and show everyone how great he can be. That logic is good for religious purposes but in the real world, for a game that has been out for years? The GamerBee of goukens would have happened by now. There are great Hakans and great Goukens already. Im not ready to say they have squeezed every inch of the character out of them, but for the amount of people that play SF i would imagine just by odds we have to be close.
I think NG1313 just picked Akuma as an example. He has other bad matchups. And if you nerf them too your risk THEIR balance.
So fucking what, Vega and Gouken are still on the same boat. They both lack real defensive options. If Vega players can do well with Vega, Im sure Gouken players can. You are overhyping the shittyness of said character
they are on the same boat. they both suffer from what people here call is lack of strengths and obvious weaknesses that any competent player can expose.
Doesn’t mean said character is shit. If Vega can do well, so can Gouken. Gouken isn’t the epitome of shit.
read above. you guys are seriously over hyping the shittyness of said character.
Me pointing out that Gouken doesn’t have a player representative winning anything was just to refer to the people who use that as the sole basis for saying Gouken is trash. And I agree that their are great Gouken players out there. But them not winning big tournaments is not just a result of the shortcomings of the character is all Im saying.
I was only addressing his point specifically about the akuma match up. I’m not well aware of the dynamics of Goukens other bad match ups. I just wanted to point out that buffing a character in response to a bad match up is not always needed as the solution may be to nerf the other character.
It’s a shame that negativity ruined this from both sides. This was a grand opportunity for both Gouken as a character and us, the players. Not that the learning and experimentation stop with Flash or anything, but it would have been neat to have a proven player opening a dialogue with us and possibly taking Gouken to new heights.
Gouken’s not a Brain Dead Character. He requires thinking and knowledge of the game. If you want Brain Dead I can give you 10 Characters to play with right now including C. Viper.
No disrepect to Flash’s skill but, I don’t see why anyone is BEGGING for him to play with Gouken.
Gimme a fucking break.
You want a brain dead character to play??? Go to another character forum. Other wise stop the bitching, crying, moaning… and most of all STOP BEGGING THIS MOFO TO PLAY GOUKEN.
This shit reminds me of the kids on Willy Wonka who all wanted the fucking Golden Ticket, only to find out that Willy Wonka was obviously on LSD.
He came in with a chip on his shoulder, and he left with a chip on his shoulder. I knew he wasn’t going to play Gouken for long any fucking way, Gouken’s a great concept character with some SHITTY FLAWS in his character design. You know it and HE knows it.
Get the fuck over it and get around it, or get the FUCK out.
There is an entire thread for the Gouken Frustration, Bitching and Grunting for a reason… please stop wasting it on begging someone to play with a character he obviously doesn’t want to play with.
Was he going to get Gouken a good reversal???
Was he going to get tatsu to hit low???
Was he going to somehow make Gouken non-suspect to grabs???
I hope nobody was expecting flash to be some sort of gouken savior. We have strong goukens to look to in Bullcat, illmatic, kyo anton, proud strawberry, desora etc. Flash giving him a try doesn’t validate anyone or the character, his opinion means little since he’s playing him for a short time and against bad competition. I think Flash kind of set himself up for failure though since nobody really liked his approach to the community, myself included, so it creates a sort of ‘put up or shut up’ attitude from us. It was a lose lose for him. But it’s a nice effort, and if there is anything to take away is how to go about learning a new character, or basics/fundamental stuff, nothing else truly substantive really.
I’m not trying to make Flash seem like the last hope for Gouken, it just would have been nice to have him maybe more active here. And while I didn’t appreciate how he presented himself, none of those other cats you mentioned post here. I’m always looking for more insight, whether it be from you or Daigo or anyone else with knowledge to drop.