Tekken Revolution FAQ

SirMixahLot · July 23, 2013, 7:22pm

Hey everyone, I might be the only one left that cares about this game, but I’m going to update info…
From Zaibatsu mostly.

Gift Point Unlock Benchmarks:

Spoiler

Properly “documented” Gift Point Unlocks that I’ve been able to confirm via stream and personally are:
1,000(?) Gift Points: 1st Character
7,000 Gift Points: 2nd Character
10,000 Gift Points: 100,000G Reward
30,000 Gift Points: 100,000G Reward AND Third Character
40,000 Gift Points: 100,000G Reward
50,000 Gift Points: 100,000G Reward
60,000 Gift Points: 100,000G Reward AND Fourth Character
70,000 Gift Points: 100,000G Reward
80,000 Gift Points: 100,000G Reward
90,000 Gift Points: 100,000G Reward AND Fifth Character
120,000 Gift Points: 100,000G Reward AND Sixth Character

Earning Premium Tickets

[details=Spoiler]Ways to earn Premium Ticket(s) that I’ve noticed are also as follows:
x1 Ticket
Daily Login Bonus (once per day)
Beat Arcade Mode Once
Beat Arcade Mode 10 Times
Beat Arcade Mode 30 Times
Beat Arcade Mode 50 Times
Beat Arcade Mode 100 Times
Win 5 Matches (Total)
Win10 Matches (Total)
Win 30 Matches (Total)
Win 50 Matches (Total)
Win 100 Matches (Total)
Win 200 Matches (Total)
Win 300 Matches (Total)
Win 400 Matches (Total)
Win 500 Matches (Total)
Win 600 Matches (Total)
Win 700 Matches (Total)
Win a match while using ONLY a Premium Ticket or Coin (refunds your used currency)
(Some values in-between 100 and 300 are missing)
x3 Tickets
Login 10 times
x5 Ticket
Login 30 times[/details]

Gaining EXP[details=Spoiler]
Arcade Mode:
With a Regular Tokens: 10 EXP PTs Win/Lose
Final Boss Fight gives 30EXP Win/Lose
Online Matches:
With a Regular Tokens: 200 EXP PTs Win/Lose
With a Premium Ticket/Coin: 200~250 EXP Win 500 Lose
EXP gain may be based off of ranks, where higher ranks gain more EXP from a match.[/details]

Using Skill Points[details=Spoiler]
ALL characters gain 4 Skill Points when you level up.
If you unlock a character after levelling up they will have access to all of the Skill Points you’ve obtained relevant to your level. You can use them to upgrade one of the three attributes, each level requires a set amount of money. Currently the max level is 50.
Fight Money Cost Per Point:
1-4 2,00G 69-89 110,000G
5-9 10,000G 89-109 120,000G
9-19 20,000G 109-129 130,000G
19-29 30,000G 129-149 140,000
39-49 50,000G 149- ? 150,000
49-69 100,000G [/details]

Tiers via StarSaber

SSSSSSS+++++: Kaz
A+: Paul, Lars, Jin
A: Bryan, Steve, Jack
B: Asuka, Lili, King, Law
C: Alisa, Ling

Kaz is godlike in this game. Do I need to explain?

Paul, Lars and Jin all have useful criticals - you can use them in combos. At first I thought Lars would be nerfed heavily by the lack of bound, but f,b+2,1 still causes bound if used on standing/crouching opp. Plus he regained all his crazy tracking and priority from T6. Jin has f,f+2 and EWHF safe spammable criticals, uf+4 launches again, overall he’s the same old same old faggot’s character. Paul does a shitton of damage too, but he isn’t safe.

I haven’t decided on Leo but that… character is either A+ or A.

Steve doesn’t have good criticals but has a good invincible. The same applies to Jack for the most part.

I put Asuka on B for the time being, but she might be A. The only thing I wouldn’t like about her (if I was an Asuka player myself, which I am not) is her invincible which seems pretty crap much like King’s. Her f+2 being a critical too is extremely stupid. Long range mid launcher, decently fast, hits grounded, the only flaw it has is that it lags like shit on block, but now it’s damage is stupid.

Law doesn’t have good criticals and his invincible is the worst out of the slow/swaying ones - but it’s still better than King’s.

King is largely the same old same old, airthrow damage is back, besides that he received a bunch of useless buffs (b+3 knockdown a la mach breaker, not techable anymore, ub+1 knocks down and you can combo out of it, uf+1+2* unblockable is as fast as AK’s). d+1+2 not launching anymore as it does in TTT2 hurts him a lot, plus it’s the shittiest invincible in this game. the main significant buff for him is that df+4,3,4 in wall combos seems a lot more consistent than it ever was in T6 or TT2, but other than that he looks the same to me. I’m tempted to put him at C though just because he didn’t get anything really useful (unlike say Lili) and his d+1+2 became a crap move, but he’s still doing solid combo damage.

Alisa doesn’t have good criticals it seems.

Great_Dark_Hero · July 23, 2013, 7:30pm

Keep in mind that there is going to be a big time update for TR as well.

SirMixahLot · July 23, 2013, 7:41pm

Law Information. All has been done in arcade mode. I’ve never touched online with Law.

Newbie terms:
DSS = Dragon Sign Stance.
Here’s a video to get really good at DSS and DSS combos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnKHZCOcm8U

Changes / specials.
b+3+4
Invincible move.

b+3
crit.

d/b+4,4
First hit is a critical move. No more follow-up after flip kick.

d+2,3
2nd hit is a critical move which and normal launcher

FC d/f,d,d/f+3
crit.

f+3+4
CH B!

f+2~1
Can’t combo off of it. Causes stupid pushback on block and blowback on hit.

Some Combos from T5DR:
Combos and juggles:

u/f + 4; d/f+2, ff+3+4:
4, b+2, 4, 3 DSS3.
4, 4,3,4 DSS3.

ws+2:
4,3,4 DSS f+4.
4, b+2, 4, 3 DSS 3.
4,u/f +3, ff+2,1,3
2, 2,2,1, ff+2,1,3.

U/f+4 :
ws+4, b+2, 4, 3 DSS 3.

Wall splat:
d/b+4,4 (dragon tail)
2,2,1,2 (only on big, knd)
4,3,4
1,1,1,1,2,3
1,2, f+2,1+2

For wall combos after a wall carry, you can still use:
4,3~DSS f+3 (works on most characters)
b+2,3,4 (delay the 4 for extra damage and it works on all characters)
b+2,3,d+4

I’ll post up some stuff about Lars next. He’s the character I actually use in matches. I run a lot of Law in arcade mode though, but I’m never sure how to punish properly with him, so matches = no dice.

SirMixahLot · July 23, 2013, 7:42pm

Yep, I’m going to update it again after the release. IDK what other changes in accumulating points might happen, and at what level do Dragunov and Hwo get unlocked - or rather, characters 7 and 8.

That said, I wouldn’t mind paying $3-5 to unlock characters rather than this Gift Point bullshit.

If TR is a “testing the waters” for a Tekken 7 engine…
I really hope they decide to keep bound out.

SirMixahLot · July 24, 2013, 5:58pm

Lars stuff, as promised.

Invincible Move: d/b+1+2
Critical Attacks:
d/b+4
u/f+4
u/f+3 - Second hit. Auto inputs the 4 after the 3.
b+1+2 - Second hit. No longer -10 on block. Can be easily punished, so it’s not as abusable as in TTT2.

Nerfs:
d/f+2 no longer can catch flinch, hit box seems to be raised higher in mid
d/b+2,1 can no longer catch flinch, knocks opponent away
DE 2 can no longer catch roll back
f,b+2,1 B! when used as a punisher / clean hit. B! doesn’t exist in juggles in TR. Only his f,f+3 causes bound other than this, again clean hit/punisher only.
f+4,1,2,1 stickiness has changed making resplat to f+4,1,2,1 much harder to fully land. Better off omitting the 1 at the end after splat.
CH d/b+1+2, will no longer launch
CH f,b+2 no longer KND/W!
u/f+3 has less mobility. Not as evasive as in TTT2.
d/f+2, d/b+2,1 can no longer catch airborne opponents (can only catch talls/bigs)
d/f+2, 2 can no longer catch airborne opponents
U/F~4, d/b+2,1 can no longer catch airborne opponents (e.g. Alisa b+3+4,3+4)
u/f+3, WS+4, d/b+2,1 no longer works

Buffs:
DE 1+2 is now a NH launcher
u/f+4 when blocked leaves opponent in WS mode.
1 and d/f+1 track.
f,f+1+2 hits mid.

Combos: all d/b+2~SE 1 enders can be modified to d/b+2,1 or d/b+2,3 for carry**
f+1+2 - Best punishment tool for blocked invincibles.
-d/b+2, d/b+2,1, f+2,1~SE 1
-d/b+2, d/b+2,1, f+2,1~SE 1
-iWS+4, 1, f+4,(1),2, d/b+2~SE 1

u/f+4
-DE 2, d/b+2,1, f+2,1~SE 1
-DE 2, 2, f+4,1,2, d/b+2~SE 1
-f+1,2,3~DE 1, d/b+2~SE 1

WS+1~SE 3,
-d/b+2,1, f+2,1~SE 1
-2, f+4,1,2, d/b+2~SE 1

f,b+2,1
-DE 1~SE 1
-B!, DE 2, d/b+2,1, f+2,1~SE 1

-u/f+3, FC 2, WS+2~SE 1
-u/f+3, WS+4, d/b+2~SE 1
-u/f+3, WS+2, d/b+2~SE 1
-u/f+3, WS+2, d/b+2,1, d/b+2~SE 1 (big only)

u/f,n,4
-u/f+3, WS+2, d/b+2~SE 1

Counter:
-CH d/b+4, WS+2, d+1, WS+2~SE 1
-CH d/f+2, DE 2, 2, f+4,1,2, d/b+2~SE 1
-CH d/b+4, WS+2, d/b+2,1, f+2,1~SE 1 (works at all ranges)
-CH d/b+4, WS+4, d/b+2,1, f+2,1~SE 1 (close range only)

Considering Lars without Bound.[details=Spoiler]
Via Tyler2k on TZaibatsu:

Is B! really that important for Lars?
On the whole, yes, Lars is definitely weaker without bound. Lars, in this case, suffers from a concept known as damage loading. “Damage Loading” is an optimization technique to maximize damage during combos, usually you want to “front load” damage where damage scaling is less harsh (due to damage near effectively halving every step down the chain until a point of diminishing returns where damage reduces more slowly).

Quick lesson, no real math required. Let’s say we have two strings of three hits that deals a total of 100 damage.

String 1 deals 50, 25, and 25 damage
String 2 deals 33, 33, and 34 damage

So using the TTT2 scaling system (60%, 50%, 50%, 45%…) that works out to:

String 1 50*.6 + 25*.5 + 255 ~= 30 + 13 + 13 = 56
String 2 33.6 + 33*.5 + 34*5 ~= 20 + 17 + 17 = 54

So string 1, even while totally equaling string 2, nets 2 more damage than string 2

“Meh, what’s an extra 2 damage?”

Well look at it this way, that’s a little over 1% of their total (TT2) HP or during a 70 vs 68 damage combo, nearly 3% more damage, practically for free by just optimizing a single string in your combo.

Okay, that really doesn’t explain Lars
The problem is that Lars for the most part can not front load his damage. He falls under the “string 2” category I exampled earlier, he has pretty long strings that tend to sub-par damage at a time but is (normally) able extend his combos for a while where the damage will even out. For instance off the top of my head:

f+1+2, d/f+2, d/b+2,1, f,b+2,1, B!, f,f, d/f+1, f,f, d/b+2~SE 1

In this case we’re front loading d/f+2 as pick-up filler post-launch and unfortunately f+1+2, d/f+2 is no longer a valid combo in TR so now must use d/b+2 in its place, which is already a loss (IIRC) of ~3 weighted points and (using the math from earlier) a loss of just over 4%.

This problem exists for many of his signature launchers too, u/f+3 and CH d/b+4 are so incredibly hampered by the lack of a B! and general poor, front loaded damage that this is the reason I theorize that both attacks have a critical strike chance, to better normalize the damage potential loss by adding in a bit of randomness. Yes, that’s an incredibly dumb way to approach the problem.

Of course combo optimization doesn’t stop at front loading, what Lars really excels at is “back loading” damage and that’s because there’s a few ways to circumvent damage/combo scaling during play, specifically TTT2 for most cases.

A) Air throws and wall throws scale at 100% damage regardless of the number of hits prior in the combo.
B) Without going super in-depth of the wall system, the final hit of a string while the opponent is in wall slump scales to 60% damage, regardless of the number of hits prior in the combo. That means using a low hitting option that deals a ton of damage is optimum for finishing wall combos.
C) In Lars’ case, a combination of the two, e.g. iSW, W!, f+1+4 is possible to deal a grip of extra damage at the end of combos

These cases are usually the reason why you’ll see grappler characters end solo or TA! combos with air/wall throws when other wall carry options aren’t available. The good news is that Lars’ airborne iSW deals tremendous damage, in TR, and the damage scaling “bonus” of wall slump shoulder (f+1+4) allows Lars to deal some massive damage with a wall. The bad news is finding a situation when all conditions perfectly line up is pretty rough, but when they do, it’s a hell of a thing.

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With the lack of B!, what good is Lars? He’s got tracking jabs again… You can literally spam out 1’s and d/f+1 as pressure leading into high/low/throw mixups.

TR Lars Combo Video:

SirMixahLot · July 24, 2013, 7:14pm

This update better come out…

Yannick · July 24, 2013, 10:54pm

I’m waiting for it, too, mang. I think this game is extra fun.

SirMixahLot · July 24, 2013, 10:56pm

I hope at least one person benefits from that Lars post.

He’s a fun character. I love this game because sometimes I just wake up, and with my coffee and breakfast I want to get 2-3 matches in of Tekken, and this is the perfect way to do it. It just boots up faster than TTT2 and easier to find a match in.

Zebster · July 25, 2013, 6:45am

What level/ranks have you guys gotten to?

I’m at level 35, 10th Dan.

Also does anyone want to make an SRK room for this game to practice?

SirMixahLot · July 25, 2013, 4:18pm

Practice would be annoying, honestly because of the limited amount of rounds you can play. One dude comes in and dominates, eats all our tickets / coins up off of one ticket? No thanks.

I’m at 11th Dan, recently demoted from 12. Level 32, 161 wins as of this morning.
I think my Lars’ stats are like…
60 attack
31 endurance
37 vigor.

Great_Dark_Hero · July 25, 2013, 4:52pm

Thank you Tataki and SirMixahLot for the amount of work you’re putting in on researching game play elements in TR.
I did see Ice_Beam93’s stream and I saw a few new things on TR - most noting the practice mode and the costumes, all of which are pretty cool. (Ice_Beam93 also plays TTT2 as Zafina, the Lings, Lili, and Asuka… a very good player though he gets a little be TA!-happy at times, even against solo opponents).
Here you can find a little more insight on TR conditions: http://www.tekkenzaibatsu.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?forumid=258
To speak on Lars’s behalf, another player known as Ocelotlikespie mentioned that Lars’s overall movement is slightly nerfed (mainly his backdash).

As for the game itself - I like the premise of the game. Seems very arcade-based.
How is Jin Kazama in this game? From what I can tell, he seems to have a lot of useful critical moves, including his EWGF/EWHF.
Here is a video showcasing of Jin Kazama and his combo potential:

Spoiler

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUqKKkOEpxw

SirMixahLot · July 25, 2013, 4:55pm

Awesome, thanks for the Lars information and the combo video!

Also, where is this damn update!!! :’(

This shit better not turn into another 3SO update wait…

tataki · July 25, 2013, 5:18pm

The game is only pissing me off more with every update. I thought “Tekken had too many characters making it too complex” so why add more and more, and even worse, put them behind a huge grind wall? The stats are still there, instead of grinding towards aesthetics.

I really hope the feedback Namco’s getting of this isn’t “Slow ass unlocking is fun! Leveling stats is fun!”

Can’t wait for DOA5U to come out since it seems to do the F2P model in the way I’d want Tekken to be. You really don’t have to make a “game for hardcore” and a “different game for casuals” if you have a good model…

SirMixahLot · July 25, 2013, 5:19pm

Just wanted to make note of something.
If you use a Premium Ticket / Coin and go through arcade mode… There’s a chance you run into Moku/Tetsu/KingJin as stage 7. There’s also a chance to run into Purple or Gold Ogre at the end.
They give you more everything if you do.
KingJin gave me 100kG and 10x EXP (100)
Moku gives me 10x gift points and 10x EXP (100 of each)
Gold Ogre gave me a x10 on gift points and 2x on EXP. (100 and 20)
I haven’t fought Tetsu or Purple Ogre yet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=L4YnvNnK9VY - not me playing.
Note the 4x EWGF combo KinJin does? Yeah, he’s a hardass MOFO.

Agreed. I REALLY hope it stops at 17 characters. The 16 + Vampire girl would be perfectly fine. In fact, that’s more than enough, I think.

As for the unlocking thing, I agree. I would mind less to pay for gift points or just pay for the characters opposed to paying for coins to play to unlock.

Can you TLDR the DoA thing? I never got into DoA and don’t know anything about it.

tataki · July 25, 2013, 5:38pm

DOA5U will come out in a regular disc version (and an arcade version!) and you’ll also be able to download the game for free and play 4 characters online, but if you went with that route you’ll have to buy each extra character or mode separately.

No forced unlocking, no leveling, no headaches for serious players who want access to the full game immediately, no problem in tournaments, no playerbase split online between 2 different titles. Perfect.

SirMixahLot · July 25, 2013, 5:42pm

That’s exactly what I wish Tekken Revolution did…
I wouldn’t mind having paid $5 or so for training, $10 for versus mode, $5 for a character, etc. I literally have no incentive to buy coins, as my renewing premium tickets keep me occupied…

tataki · July 25, 2013, 5:48pm

Went to refresh my memory. All modes will be open expect for story mode (15$), and 4 characters are free while each extra character costs 4$. The details are secondary to the fact that you have a 60$ full game option.

Initial_R_1 · July 25, 2013, 6:01pm

The game is actually 40 bucks if I remember correctly. And yeah i’m pretty excited for Ultimate myself. Can’t wait to get my hands on Momiji!

SirMixahLot · July 25, 2013, 6:05pm

That’s not bad at all - regarding DoA5.
When is it out? I might give it a shot, though I’m hesitant. If it’s free, why the fuck not?

This is a long shot about TR, but I’m wondering if TR is a test to see how people would like Tekken if it once again didn’t have bound, gauging engine changes for TxSF / T7. I hope the next Tekken doesn’t, but I also hope that it doesn’t have specials and invincibles. If that’s a test to see how specials would work in TxSF, that would be cool too.

Initial_R_1 · July 25, 2013, 6:28pm

The game and the Free “demo” drops on Sep 3. I dunno about the demo for the 360 version though… But yeah I would enjoy TR much more if they didn’t have that stupid random chance thing and if there were ways to actually win more Tickets, like winning 5 matches in a row earns you 1 ticket every week or something like that…