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This isnt a game of footies?
Oh.
Well. Watching japanese and korean match videos all day is going to get me NOWHERE. I need to just stay in this topic and absorb all the knowledge.
What?
Aren’t footsies essentially just whiff punishing? That happens in Tekken all the time, I get more launches off whiff punishes than counter-hits.
You say theres no footsies and then you go ahead and define it in Tekken and say how important it is. Your example does not make sense to me neither you say Lee is not a rush down character yeah so either is Sim in SF but does that mean you can’t play footsies?
Basically your saying in other fighters you don’t want to create whiff when you play footsies in SF thats not what your looking for is whifffed moves really? Your not looking for someone like ryu to whiff a low mk so you can get damage? Or bait a srk … no?
I agree with you 100% Tekken is a game where one mistake can cost you the entire round.
I think the people who have been playing Tekken for years refuse to agree with that for whatever reason, but really the only method of defense in Tekken is recognition. You can’t block, step, or duck the strings in that game if you don’t know them. The game has a very skewed risk/reward system. You can argue this all you want but if someone can take half your life with a safe poke then how can you argue this?
To sum it up if you fuck up by whiffing against someone or defending improperly you’re going to lose. There’s nothing wrong with that statement at all.
It is just that some take insult when you amount all of Tekken by a couple characters who excel at punishing and call the entire game a two mistake KO fest. Just like some SF players take insult to amounting all of Street Fighter to fireballs and DP’s. Both games are more than what they appear. Either like one, both, or don’t the door hit you on the way out.
I wouldnt say tekken revolves around footsies. Yes spacing is a huge factor in Tekken ( more friendly now that sidesteps and backdashes are reduced) but at its most basic level it boils down to a game of rock papers scissors. high medium low etc and i love it.
lol.
korea / green arcade stopped using +1 when BR came out, where are you people getting your information?
tekkenzaibatsu is where i get it from, taken from what i have seen said by korean players that play at green. they did plus 2 for tekken 6, and do plus 1 now. you can peep my thread that i basically gave up on. apparently even the australian players play on +1. only reason i brought it up is because i have read a few times that they still play plus settings for tekken, which makes sense in my opinon.
http://www.tekkenzaibatsu.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=115698
so green is a mixed bag helpme is saying they are on +1 but every match I see with holeman, nin, chanel, all of those people and on tekken crash is default. maybe they “practice” on +1.
edit: i remember reading your thread and people were posting in the old tier thread that it widens the gaps , which it definitely does
http://www.tekkenzaibatsu.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=4043798#post4043798
reinvigorated the interest in it. trying to get some answers cause i think it’s important as well, especially since knee and tissuemon are coming to FR13
Here’s my list, it is hard to still tell now…but top 5 (in no order)
Steve, Bob, Bryan, Lili, Bruce
Close to Top Tier (No order): Julia, Lars, Law, King, Alisa, Eddy, Nina, Paul, Roger Jr, Jack-6
Upper Mid Tier: Baek, Asuka, Marduk, DVJ, Heihachi, Kaz,
So wrong for so many reasons and a terrible excuse to be noted. Firstly, they didn’t “stop” playing because it was “broken” look at how many FG’s other asian countries play that are broken, you can’t come to me and say that Blanka wasn’t that “good” in CvS2 or that A3 V-Ism’s weren’t bullshit, or that Genei-Jin Yun/SAII Chun were the definition of “balance”, etc, etc. MvC2 being broken had absolutely nothing to do with that.
What really had to do with the notion was because MvC2 wasn’t particularly “as” popular due to the fact that the Marvel characters are not as well established with the players over seas, and thus that game did not have the appeal nor the same impact or competition as it was over here.
Some of you peeps need to stop spewing bullshit, and learn the facts man.
Away from that statement it’s interesting to see the Tier Listing, I haven’t played Tekken 6 BR yet, I’ve only had the chance of playing the org. T6 back when it first debuted. I am and will forever be a Jin Purist.
Hahahahaha at this whole thread.
I kick ass with Yoshimitsu. Why is he so low on the list?
Because this game is soupah balanced.
Well, I hope you guys are done bickering…
Anyhow, since everyone has been playing this for quite sometime, thoughts on the characters’ overall balance?
IMHO:
Top 3:
Bryan, Bruce, Alisa
Top Others:
Bob, Lars, Steve, Law, Nina, Julia, Jack, Paul, Baek, Lili
Strong:
King, Lee, Leo, Eddy, Feng, Miguel, D.Jin, Roger, Kaz, Hei
Sorta mid tier-ish:
Lei, Ling, Wang, Anna, Asuka, Christie, Ganryu, A.King, Dragunov
Not that great, but still dangerous in the right hands:
Jin, Hwo, Kuma, Marduk, Yoshimitsu, Zafina
Crap:
Raven
Thoughts?
Xiaoyu
Xiaoyu should be in the Not that great group. Why? Overall low damage with juggles only up to par with walls, relatively easy to sidestep her (SSL), and among her group she has no good low, her only strong “mixup” is her backturned throws.
Raven
Raven is not crap, nor all alone. Being in a scene where the Raven player is the top player maybe makes me a bit biased, but I think I also have fair grounds to talk about him. Strong whiff punishment (4~3), good lows (qcf+2, FC d/f+3+4, FC 3), and one of the most annoying mid pokes in the game (d/f+1). It does hurt him for being such a gamble to do big damage, but in a game where gambling is bit more encouraged than past Tekken’s he is not all bad.
Xiaoyu: hmmm, makes sense.
Raven: it could be the player you’re playing against tbh. IMHO, Raven has the worst juggle hitbox in the game, making him, IMO, the most unreliable character (especially at crunch time). I can’t think of another character with juggle hitboxes as unreliable as his. (except for Jin’s hitboxes, which are awful as well, but at least there’s someway to “help” how bad his 1,3~3 is.)
I would like to know why you put up Paul so high on the tier list honestly? I can see him easily being being the lower part of your strong character list, but Top Others?